July 11, 2006
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What is the most dangerous philosophy present today in our world? Which one offers the most hope for humanity? An entry for the Socrates Cafe blogring.
I’ll answer this question very simply. Short and sweet. There is NO such thing as a dangerous philosphy. A “philosopher” is a “lover of wisdom”. To embrace wisdom is to embrace humanity, and, by formulating reasonable assumptions based upon logical conclusions rather than by simple observations and ideological rhetoric, the philosopher attempts to explain the reasons for and the implications behind human existence and history. A better question would be “Which ideologies are the most dangerous to our mortal existence?” Or “Can there be any negative repurcussions from any of the religious thoughts taught throughout millennia?”
There are many different roads to ruin, maneuvered by pedantic pedagogues and overzealous prophets, but these roads can be detoured by a mind that can analyze and reason through their inconsistencies. Throughout history, mankind has attempted to formulate a reason for existence, and to insure a better future for his progeny. Sometimes and in some parts of the world, he succeeds, and sometimes and in some parts of the world, he fails miserably. The philosophies that attempt to explain and question this existence, and to formulate reasons behind it and a purpose for it, cannot be blamed for any ills through which mankind suffers.
There are autocratic and totalitarian ideologies that can be considered malicious and should be avoided. But usually, each ideology is an “answer” to a competing ideology for which the group from which it fostered into existence feels needed to be countered. Ideologies can be secular, sectarian, and religious. Mankind loves to compete, and his belief systems have morphed and changed, adhering to the principle du jour, throughout history. Sometimes the belief systems which are competing actually comprise a single set of thought, and eventually morph together. At other times they are so solid and unfettered in their assumptions, that the rift that divides them gets ever wider and eventually splits the ideologies into two distinct and warring groups.
Hope for humanity. Is there hope for humanity? This is a question that has been racking the brains of humanity since he first opened his eyes and learned to live on this world. Recently, physicist Stephen Hawking asked this question of the Ask Yahoo Search Engine. Is there an answer? Is it positive or negative? I personally believe, derived both from empirical observation and from reasoned logical conclusions, that human nature will eventually doom our species. Perhaps that information was known from the beginning. Philosophical questions have always been on man’s mind. And he has written vast libraries consisting of various “answers” and “conclusions” about his end. He has practiced sacrifice and martyrdom throughout his existence. He has conjured up reasons, as well as ghosts, and he is no closer now to knowing if and when this roller coaster will end than he was when he stepped into the car back in his beginning. The car goes faster as time advances. This he knows for sure.
In conclusion, there are many tributaries of thought. As soon as one idea is stated, an equally valid and possibly wildly incorrect idea can be made that opposes the first. When dealing with feelings, beliefs, and ideas, mankind can rarely agree upon the outcomes, and sometimes can’t agree with himself. There will always be somebody who will bend a philosophy or an ideology to his whims, and there will always be fighting and jockeying for the front position of cultural and historical merit. The philosopher is not at fault for any dangers inherent in the thought processes of human beings. To the contrary, the philosopher attempts to explain, through a reasonable means, exactly what variables are cause and effect, and differing philosophies will not hurl mankind into the abyss. It is man’s intolerance and stubborn stupidity that will accomplish this.
Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
QUESTIONS:
Zeal4living : How do you think ideologies will be impacted if man embraces philosophy as you define it?
Mankind has embraced philosophical discussion for millennia, and he will continue. Sadly, I believe certain ideologies are so ingrained in their participants, that warring tribes will continue to war. If we are to learn from history, then we should realize that the problems of the world are not new, but are very ancient, and will just fester and boil as always until we learn the lessons of time.
BlackSockCerulean: You point out that philosophy in the strictest sense is only the search for explanations. Starting there, is there a specific mode of questioning that could be considered to offer more danger or hope than another?
I believe that “modes of questioning”, however they are phrased or presented, are part of a possible answer towards a “hopeful” future. Philosophy itself has never, can never, and will never “answer” man’s eternal questions. In the Universal, these moral and ethical questions are indeed answered. The great news is that in our final incarnation, upon reaching the final realization, the eternal “mind meld” of the Universal will not only answer our questions, but explain all of humanity and beyond, if life exists elsewhere, and serve to bond us to the godhead.
Do you agree with Zeal that wisdom always precludes dangerousness? It might be a weird direction to go, but could there be a kind of wisdom that is also dangerous to humanity?
I’ve written in my essay: “History” that the elders of early societies were always revered, because they possessed memory of weather patterns, and geologic cycles, and could determine when the best times of year to plant, and to store. As society expanded, and mankind became more technological, the philosophers of the “age of reason” discounted the religious dogmas of the time in order to postulate more scientific and reasonable explanations for humankind’s perpetual questions. True, there are some quite dangerous ideologies that are practiced, and have been practiced for centuries. Usually it is not wisdom which precludes the existence of these scary dogmatic sects, but ignorance.
curiousdwk : Usually I find that there is a broad spectrum between the two extremes rather than a binary selection. What would that spectrum include? Where are we on that spectrum? Are we going in a losing hope direction or a gaining hope direction?
The pendulum swings one way, and then the other. We can be on any point of the curve, and it doesn’t matter. From the tenor of news reports, it would certainly seem that we’re losing rather than gaining. The glass is neither half empty or full, but if we don’t watch out , we’ll all be drowning in it’s waters.
What_does_God_look_like : Do you believe that there may be just as many attempts to preserve the species that may be responsible for balancing out these attempts or that eventually someone will succeed and destroy the world?
Some folks preserve, and some folks destroy. There is “good and bad” in everything. We possess in our existence equal parts “good” and equal parts “evil”. In a Christian sense, the devil and God are perpetually wrestling for control of our soul. Basic Christian beliefs, as outlined in the Holy Bible, maintain that the corporeal world as we know it will not be destroyed, but when Jesus battles Satan during the final war following the Tribulation, the redeemed will occupy the Earth with Him for 1000 years. When using the term “apocalypse”, most would equate this idea as ‘the end of the world.” I wrote that human nature will doom our species. The physical world, in both instances, will survive. The race of humans which treat it so badly will probably go the way of the Dodo and the dinosaur at some future point. Most ideologies deal with this. Perhaps there will be a “star child” to reinvigorate our innocence?
ADDENDUM: In past posts, some folks have mentioned my composite header for the Cafe that I usually include in my essays. The header at the top of this post is the “full version” which I created for Simone when she ran the “Cafe” to use as the header for the Xanga blog. She never used it. There are five different elements in the composite. I just now thought about this, and no, Hemlock is not served inside. MFN

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Well, well Mike. You got me right in the entry paragraph….There can be no dangerous philosophy because it challenge the very definition of philosophy…as a lover of wisdom and dangerous is contradictory to wisdom. We need to differnetiate between ideology and philosophy! Simple and yet a true insight for me. How do you think ideologies will be impacted if man embraces philosophy as you define it?
Now I will have to go and sit and rethink my entry in totality!!
Ditto dude! See my response to the question.
I’ve always found other’s ideas and interpretations on topics quite fascinating. Whilst I might not agree with their philosophy on certain issues, it’s this willing to listen and consider aspect that has kept our world evolving for centuries. You’ve written a very interesting post here, Mike. :coolman:
I haven’t been a very consistent participating member of Internet Island I must admit. You do offer interesting and thought provoking topics to write on, but I think in many cases most people just want to belong to this blogring for the same reasons they do the other rings. It’s a way to meet others and share our day to day thoughts and experiences. Just general stuff. Of course many times serious issues arise and we are driven to write on these. Sometimes I’m in the right frame of mind to write on the topics you’ve specified, other times I’m not. Often I’ll visit others on the island and enjoy reading whatever the’ve posted about. Sometimes it’s on one of the current “Island” topics, sometimes it’s not. Whatever they write I’m always interested to read. :sunny:
You point out that philosophy in the strictest sense is only the search for explanations. Starting there, is there a specific mode of questioning that could be considered to offer more danger or hope than another?
Do you agree with Zeal that wisdom always precludes dangerousness? It might be a weird direction to go, but could there be a kind of wisdom that is also dangerous to humanity?
thought provoking! :goodjob:
To answer the question “Is there hope for humanity” you would have to define what “hope” would include. Also, to say “hope for humanity” it would sound as if it were compared to its alternative “no hope” which again would have to be defined. However, usually I am suspect of dualistic scenarios – either hope or no hope. Usually I find that there is a broad spectrum between the two extremes rather than a binary selection. What would that spectrum include? Where are we on that spectrum? And just like the question is NOT is the glass half full or half empty, the important thing is the direction. Is it becoming less full or more full. So with hope once you have located us in the spectrum. Are we going in a losing hope direction or a gainint hope direction?
I was reading about the Socrates Cafe blogring yesterday, and I was a little scared at the different responses I saw to this question. The Cafe is designed to encourage thought and discussion, but I was scared to see things like “free thought” and “liberalism” described as dangerous. As you say, philosophies are pure, but everything and anything can be used to an end that is not desired by some. Fundamentalist Islam, or Christianity, or humanism, or Existentialism – they’re all ideas. It’s all about growth, as you say – opposing previous ideas, swinging the pendulum, trying to find the balance for the current time and thought processes. Thank you.
We were both blessed and cursed with a sense of individuality, which fosters a need to express ourselves separately from others and yet creates a need to validate ourselves by banding together with others of like mind. All of the established religions, for example, promote the same basic philosophy that we must love one another and yet when a person from one culture is confronted by a person from another culture the result is that the differences in interpretation of religious philosophy prevent them from truly following that one basic concept, with the ultimate result of warring against each other in an effort to “prove” which religion is the stronger and then assimilating the loser, persuading him to follow the conqueror to his personal heaven…”winning” the competition.
The only hope for humanity is if it can ever recognize and honor the god within each person, put aside the differences between ourselves as individuals and simply live and let live.
human nature will eventually doom our species There have been many attempts to do just this and yet all have failed to this point. Do you believe that there may be just as many attempts to preserve the species that may be responsible for balancing out these attempts or that eventually someone will succeed and destroy the world?
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your encouraging comments. Coming from someone who writes as well as you do…I do feel it to be a genuine encouragement.
The McGuffey Readers wern’t used any more when I was in school either…just the old run-of-the-mill Dick and Jane stuff:sleepy: I had purchased the set several years ago and they do have a lot of great stuff and…some of it probably wouldn’t go over well today..
Very thought provokimg and well written. I agree with you that we might eventually just destroy everything around us with our own greed for more….
The natural beauty of my now home state of Florida is being destroyed on a daily basis…losing all of our natural beauty and the natural habitat of birds and other creatures. People whining about bears and alligators who were here long before we started our unending developments and roads ….empty shopping centers and no place for water runnoff…A big garish , tawdry ostentatious Disney type ….garbage in exchange for natural beauty. Guess I’m an old curmudgeon but I do think people make a mistake by coming here just for Disney.
I have a writing challenge at my site on Being born of the Spirit if you are interested.
hey mike just checking in with you. it is hotter than a #$$%%$## #$###$$$@#@ *&(*$$##%$!!! here…
The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire…Gibbon
Mike, thank you for your reply. I like the way you add your questions to your original text…I think I will adopt that format as well in the future if you do not mind being copied. Your reply seem somewhat grim. Why do you think this ignorance persists regardless of all the wonderful philosophies and wisdom that is documented? Or maybe put in another way…Why did philosophy fail to shed light on the ignorance leading to dangerous ideologies?
Love that first paragraph. There is no dangerous philosophy. Good point and likely the only point worth making on this topic. Bad philosophy is necessary if we are to recognize good philosophy, it is important to understand that its not the philosophy as much as it is the exercise of critical thinking that makes an action based on it good or bad.
ok, Thank you for your encouragement. I love your format, answering the questions within the body of the post – great idea! I like your answer to my question on this post. I agree with your assessment on philosophies as a whole. The issue really isn’t the basic pursuit of knowledge but when someones core beliefs take any thought to the extreme – even good thoughts – because they are generally losing the essence of the belief when their zeal surpasses wisdom. (that was either a brillant statement or B.S.) Anyway, as you can probably tell on my what_does_God_look_like site, I am not afraid of differing or even opposing points of view – in fact I love it. I am especially looking forward to your take on baptism with the very little amount of history you provided. I have been in that very same position. Baptism is a very divisive topic to many churchs – which is stupid really. I personally do not see any evidence that baptism is required for salvation – it is like arguing over the wedding dress and missing the point of the wedding.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by. Looking forward to reading more of your posts. Debbie Many hats, same heart.
The concepts of good and bad are subjective and applied to an idea by an individual or group. In my opinion, they do not exist outside this context. The concepts of superior and inferior are similar. Yet, we persist in thinking in these terms and we consider the position we have taken to be the right one. Why is that?
Awesome response Mike.
I would have to agree with you that man’s stupidity and intolerance will be the end of him, unfortunately when it comes to these undesirable traits I seem to be in abundance.
In the last paragraph though would you call the undoing of man Extremism? To me I see that many people adopt a perfectly fine philosophy (in this case philosophy means ideology, philosophy as love of wisdom is more of a verb then a noun) such as Fundamentalism, Feminism, Enviromentalism and take it to such an extreme that it is dangerous for them and others surrounding them.
What do you think?
Love the header by the way, I’m glad we are not serving Hemlock.
Mike, I must sadly disagree with you. There is considerable danger in philosophy and the danger lies in the nature of the “Truth and knowlege” the philosophy espouses. Loving truth and knowlege isn’t very agreeable if your idea of truth and knowlege begins and ends with the Bible or Koran. Both these books have admirable concepts and ideas, but blind adherance to them as the absolute and final truth has led to an awful lot of suffering in this old world.