September 12, 2005




  • "The Analyst"
    Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
    12/27/75 (22 years old)


    What was it like in 1967, he muses
    Saying, "Yes I was an analyst and
    They were my patients."
    Yes, I could look at people and
    Tell them, "This is what is wrong!"
    All through my short life I've been
    adjusting maladies for broken-hearted
    wisps desiring love - and I will
    prescribe large doses of hope
    and the wisps will blow away,
    because hope cannot retain them.
    Is it because of this, he asks himself,
    That I have slammed my casebook
    And why I say, "no, I cannot
    read you like a book," but all the
    time saying, "She loves me anyway."
    I cannot write poetry anymore - and
    I will idolize past efforts as they
    gather dust on my shelf.
    I cannot analyze people anymore -
    and yet I will say - she loves me -
    Poor thing.
    And poetry is a weapon if it speaks
    the truth.
    I laugh and say, "No I'm not in love,"
    And I will get questioning gazes
    from her eyes -
    Which I will turn away from -
    And what is it that I want
    from her?
    Ah, I am a scoundrel telling people
    oh, I cannot analyze while all the
    time I analyze with analytical precision
    She loves me
    She loves me not
    And my head is filled with all these
    thoughts and I can't express myself -
    And times are I think I'm going
    to explode.
    I am a painted canvas
    Which you will have to read
    And when you scratch the paint
    to find out if I'm a copy
    then you will either love me or hate me
    And I cannot tell you
    What will be the end result
    Because I am such a bad analyst
    when I try to analyze myself.



    "Raining In Depression"
    Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
    03/04/05 5:14 pm pst



    Couldn't put a finger on it
    Couldn't stab it in the back of pernicious ruin
    Couldn't realize the rationality as it leaked
    insidiously into my subconscious serenity


    Couldn't grasp solemn quietude
    When raging rivers of rapacious repugnance
    Rallied at the doors of doom, decrying despair
    And feeling comfortable there,
    for a second maybe


    Why does it hurt so bad, when it looks allright?
    Why do the secret demons hide from sight?
    What is this manic tearing slicing sound so tight?
    And what relieves the pressure on my soul?


    Wouldn't appreciate the circumstance
    Wouldn't let the sound of the dripping bother much
    Wouldn't realize the ruckus if it fell forthright
    into the muck of innocuous illogic


    Wouldn't grasp punitive pain
    When silent suggestions of peaceful pragmatism
    Pulls rabbits out of the hats of hatred
    And hiding in plain sight,
    While a tear streams down my cheek


    What is the reason for feeling this way?
    Why does the night ever croach on the day?
    Is Heaven laughing at the lives set in play?
    And what relieves the pressure on my soul?


     


     


    Banging My Head Against the Wall
    a  psychological self anaysis essay
    by Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
    9/8/05


    They say if you think you're crazy then you can't possibly be crazy. I've always admitted I was "goin' crazy". That is the title of my autobiography, after all. If I were to "self analyze" myself, and had to pick from the various "diseases" of which I read, I would probably say I am, if anything, "manic-depressive." Giddy highs, followed by deep depression, in a short amount of time. In the past few years, the term "manic-depressive" seems to be rapidly replaced by the term "bi-polar". I read so much about "bi-polar" kids and the various meds they have to take. I decided to take one of my "internet trips" through the subject. Since I've always said I was "manic-depressive" and to actually have found that this is a "brain disease" called bi-polar and that it is treated with drugs scares me, frankly. Then I read that some kids, diagnosed and prescribed with drugs like prozac, which my roommate Cancerboy used to take for depression, have committed suicide because of incorrect ingestion of the drug.  I know "meds" from my parents medicine cabinet, which I never wanted to emulate in my lifetime, and which, of course, as I get older, I am emulating, and besides the drugs filling up my medicine cabinet, they fill up the top of  my nightstand, and the top of my dresser. Each year brings more meds. And when I think of kids having to take medications, which, when incorrectly prescribed, or taken with other substances that don't mix too well, could be the cause of far greater damage than the disease for which they were prescribed, I get somewhat scared. I've never taken medication for depression. But I have "self analyzed" myself, and a doctor has never confirmed any "condition".
    Basically, sometimes doctors prescribe poison to battle disease sometimes, for instance, when one goes in for chemotherapy, the body is almost killed in order to destroy the cancer cells. Sometimes the treatment is the cure, and sometimes it doesn't work. Kids committing suicide because of taking drugs their doctor prescribed so that they don't get depressed enough to commit suicide is, frankly, insane. Who is in charge of the asylum here? There are "good doctors" and "bad doctors" however, and I'm sure the media overstates the negative as usual.  In the interest of science, I thought I would take a "survey" or answer a "questionnaire" I found on the NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) site. I don't want to be bandying about medical terms on the internet without at first knowing exactly what they mean. What follows is the NIMH "signs and symptoms" of manic-depression. At work when I have been called into the office by my boss after a "head banging" episode. (I sometimes try to hurt myself, it's not pretty) I am always asked if I think I need help. I maintain (usually through a sheet of tears and sobbing) that I don't. I don't need to talk to anyone specifically about this condition, I wear my heart on my sleeve, and when I'm happy, I'm delirious. When I feel bad, I just have to try to direct my own energy in more positve manner. I have been told that I'm a "lot better now" by the same people who thought I should be committed, so I'm gaining ground.
    So here we go. I'm going to be completely honest about this, as usual in these entries.



    1. Signs and symptoms of mania (or a manic episode) include:
     Increased energy, activity, and restlessness
    I have a need for "completeness" balanced precariously with a need to pile more on my plate, until I can't possibly finish anything. Sometimes I seem to thrive more in the most unstable and anarchic conditions, and in times of seeming complacency, I will become exponentially restless.
     Excessively "high," overly good, euphoric mood
    When I'm up, everyone knows it. Exhuberance is catching, and I have always fed on good times. That the apex of excitement fueled by these times might send me spiralling deep into depressiion is moot I guess, because the better the euphoria, the better the time remembered.
     Extreme irritability
    I almost fell off my chair at this one. I'm famous for my irratibility. From early in my childhood, my mother would tell anyone that would listen that I was sheer hell to live with when I was sick. As soon as I came down with a cold, Mother would "quarantine" me in my bedroom, which my brother would usually have to exit for the few nights I remained sick. I am always being told to "calm down" at work. I strive for perfection, and even though I know perfection doesn't exist, I still aim for it in all aspects of my life. I can't stand stupidity, and I am quick to point out mistakes when they happen. When I make them, I flog myself with anger and criticism.
     Racing thoughts and talking very fast, jumping from one idea to another
    Duh.
     Distractibility, can't concentrate well
    What did you say? I am not really easily distracted from my train of thought, although it has been known to leave the tracks on numerous occasions.
     Little sleep needed
    It's funny. In retail management, one always has to have a malleable schedule. I used to close down the store at 11:30 pm or midnight, and have to open it again at 5am the next morning. When I was getting back into retail in the early 80s after losing my position when Fed Mart went out of business,  it was difficult finding work. After managing the seasonal Christmas tree lot at Gemco in Culver City, I went on the night crew stocking shelves and building displays. Because this wasn't full time, I also had to work a replacement shift for day workers in order to get enough money to pay my bills. I got to where I could sleep only three or four hours, then work another 8 or 10 hours with no problem. I've also taken lots of crystal meth in my lifetime, and gobbled whites like they were candy.
     Unrealistic beliefs in one's abilities and powers
    I wouldn't say they were "unrealistic".
     Poor judgment
    Now this one is probably a matter of degree of interpretation. I really don't make too many mistakes now. If you had asked me that questioin when I was 21 I might tell you a far different story. I believe wisdom comes with age, and would like to think my judgement is pretty sound at 52.
     Spending sprees
    I owe over 30 grand in credit card debt and I'm single and make a good salary. Tell you anything?
     A lasting period of behavior that is different from usual
    My mood swings don't last too long. I can usually moderate my "behavior". If I see myself tipping in one direction, I try to tip it back the other way by sheer force of brainpower.
     Increased sexual drive
    I'll get back to you on that one.
     Abuse of drugs, particularly cocaine, alcohol, and sleeping medications
    You know, I never liked downers or "downer people". See, they always brought me down. But I've used a good amount of "the white powder", crystal meth, and acid in my day. But even though I don't condone drug use in the least, my adventures were always sort of fun, and I wouldn't have lived my life any other way. I did have quite a problem with alcohol, but I don't consider myself alcoholic. (Or "addicted" to drugs, either) 
     Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior
    People usually tell me I'm nice, and have all my life, until I can't take it anymore. You know what I mean? I start to get really irritated at them and I just feel like ki....oops, er, sorry. No, I wouldn't say I'm provocative or intrusive in any way. I always love to sign real long letters "thanks for listening." I have been known to be so aggressive at work I almost got punched once, but the guy knew he'd get fired immediately. One of the "perks'" of being the boss.
     Denial that anything is wrong
    I guess since I've been admitting to myself that I have this condition probably means that I self diagnosed myself early in life and decided to cure myself as well. And I'm always "on the way to recovery". Nothing stops depression though, when it rears it's ugly head.
     A manic episode is diagnosed if elevated mood occurs with three or more of the other symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for 1 week or longer. If the mood is irritable, four  additional symptoms must be present.


    I won't "count them up". But this was rather interesting. Sort of like those "blogthing questionnaire" only serious. I injected a little levity here and there. Next up, is Depression.


    2. Signs and symptoms of depression (or a depressive episode) include:
     Lasting sad, anxious, or empty mood
    Frequently. I sometimes skip a day, but I usually have a period of depression which sometimes lasts up to two hours at least once a day. I can be set off by a song, a word, the sight of a dead cat in the middle of the road, witnessing an argument or insincerity being practiced by my fellow man, even good times and great feelings can set off my depression, which is ruthless.
     Feelings of hopelessness or pessimism
    I penned the term "optimistic pessimism". I'm 100 percent optimistic that I'm going to feel bad at some point. I accept this. It's a part of me. I try now, with the benefits provided by the perspective of age, to channel these feelings into something more positive. I procalimed years ago that I wouldn't bring up a child in a world I couldn't explain to him, as I felt the hopelessness instead of the promise of having progeny.
     Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
    I have never gotten over the fact that I turned my back on my mother, preferring to think of her as a vegetable and leaving her to live three years and die without me by her side. At work, I will blame myself for all mistakes that are made by my department, no, in fact in the whole building, even if I didn't make them.  I feel helpless at times, but I learn to live with it.
     Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed, including sex
    I think this perhaps is the kernal of a cure for me, because not only do I enjoy every activity I have always enjoyed, but I enjoy new adventures and activities, and want to learn something new every day.
     Decreased energy, a feeling of fatigue or of being "slowed down"
    This happens, but with less frequency as I age. You have to "slow down" at some point.
     Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
    These symptoms haven't worked themselves into my life so far. I have always made quick decisions, and I stand by them. I have the memory of an elephant, even if I tend to "embellish" my 'stories" for "dramatic intent" at times. I can concentrate when I put my mind to it, and I have no problem multitasking. I'm also the most organized person in the world, and am apt to get mad at you if you lose your keys around me, which I think is really stupid.
     Restlessness or irritability
    I've never known patience, if that' s what you mean. See the "manic" seciton for irritability.
     Sleeping too much, or can't sleep
    I suffer from insomnia, and used to have to get up on my hands and knees when a child and "rock" myself to sleep. I used to have little "rituals' that I had to perform, but we'll have to deal with obsessive compulive disorder in another post.
     Change in appetite and/or unintended weight loss or gain
    My appetite is voracious. I rarely lose it. I gain a lot of weight, and lose it again because of dieting, not because of any anorexic episode.
     Chronic pain or other persistent bodily symptoms that are not caused by physical illness or injury
    Stress can cause a lot of pain.
     Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
    I started to quaff my "suicidal tendencies" by writing about them heavily starting when I turned 14. I also studied psychology and began to "analyze" my friends and foes. I have been trying to explain death to myself all my life, and think I found the answer during an epiphany early in college. I feel that people who take their lives early are cheating themselves of great beauty and wonder, no matter how bad they might feel, and wish to spread this message.
     A depressive episode is diagnosed if five or more of these symptoms last most of the day, nearly every day, for a period of 2 weeks or longer.


    Again, I won't "count them up". But this doesn't change my definition of the term "manic-depressive" either. I never felt I needed medication for the condition. I only need honest feedback and communication with my friends, and with myself. I turn inward and look to memory and perception to give me glimpses into the beauty of existence, and I try to write about it in order to help others know that everything might not be all right. It wasn't meant to. The wise know how to look though the pain into the pleasure, and to look through the sadness into the glee. To understand and to embrace the difference. And to carry on, love his fellow man, and attempt to thank him for being there in times of need.



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    Thank you to all the wonderful folk who commented on my Tribute post for 9/11. Here I am, Breaking the Fourth Wall in an actual "article entry" because I'm so pleased to have made Featured Content. I don't want to admit that I actually check for comments at 2:30 in the morning but I did, and found my "pirate mug" staring out at me. Huzzah! This is a total honor and of couse would not be possible without my readers, and I'd like to give (yet another) nod of thanks to Denise, who runs the best blogring on Xanga, "Featured Content For Grownups". I know I wouldn't be as happy as I am right now without her efforts and her blogring. If you haven't joined, I'd recommend joining right now. She organized a "9/11" tribute rather suddenly, and yet her efforts generated more visiting and commenting yesterday by a large group of people. I have always striven for the aspect of "community" on the internet, and certainly find it in Denise's blogs and blogring.



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Comments (66)

  • Again, congrats on FC!  It's definately well deserved.

    Your poems were nice to read.  The styles are so different as time went by.  You see how people change physically throughout their lives in photographs, but to get to see how writings and poetry changes over a person's lifetime is neat.  Thanks for sharing them.

    I'm sure you'll get more feedback on the bi-polar thing from others with more experience.  I do know what it is, and I know of people that are being treated for it, but I can't say I know much more than that.  I've always subscribed to the belief that if something is wrong with the way your mind translates stimuli, and there is a medication that can correct it, why continue to suffer through the disability?  But that's completely a personal decision.  I myself have had bouts with depression.  I should be on meds all the time, but, I'm not.  However, I do find that I enjoy life so much more when I'm taking the medication, and it makes dealing with problems so much easier.  I hope at least your reflection was helpful to you.

    Have a great day!   ~Denise~

  • Dear Mike:

    My intention is to comment bit by bit, but I sneaked a peek at Denise's comment.  FC!!  Congratulations and many happy returns!  Now, then, where was I?  Oh, yeah.

    "The Analyst"
    Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
    12/27/75 (22 years old)

    I once dated an analyst.  I thought, cool, she'll understand me from the gitgo.  Oops.  Two problems:  she was more of a mess than most of her patients, and, she kept peering at me, trying to unravel and decipher my psyche, till I couldn't stand it.  She was also a bit of a nympho, which I thought was good at first, and then, found that dating a nympho is very exhausting.

    "Raining In Depression"
    Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
    03/04/05 5:14 pm pst

    Depression's insidious, all right.  As tough as it is on me, the friend, it's far far tougher on the depressed person I'm friends with.  My first wife, I believe, suffered from clinical depression.  Either that, or the reason she was crying and listless all the time was because I was a horrible person to be married to.  Which brings me to ...

    My own illness at the time was "low self-esteem."  Funny thing.  (Funny peculiar, not funny ha-ha.)  I didn't know I was ill, and I didn't know my wife was ill, and she didn't know she was ill, and she didn't know I was ill.

    The marriage failed.

    Banging My Head Against the Wall
    a  psychological self anaysis essay
    by Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
    9/8/05

    I LOVE highs and lows.  Barbara HATES highs and lows.  Our therapist is on Barbara's side, so I'll gulp down an occasional St. Johns Wort, or maybe even a Xanax tablet, when Barbara's reaction to my mood swings tell me I need to level out a bit.

    **********

    I glanced at the "symptoms" section and decided I am not crazy.

    Does this make me crazy?  I suppose so, darn it.

    Congrats again on FC.

  • I particularly enjoyed your Raining In Depression poem. I also found your post informative, so thanks

  • On the other hand, I glanced at the symptoms section and decided I'm a stark staring lunatic.  Hey, thanks for your comments on mine--on target as always!

  • Very interesting. I've sometimes wondered if I had some kind of mental illness--especially my freshman year of college. But I never saw any kind of doctor about it. Writing is medicinal enough, methinks.

  • You are quite am amazing person for bearing your soul to so many.  :spinning: Your latest profile picture is hilarious too. :lol:

  • Dearest Mike,

    It is interesting to see this up here today, especially with what we talked about on Saturday regarding my friend.  But, it is true that at times many people start to define themselves (and even worse ... limit themselves) by the "diseases" and medications they are prescribed.

    I'm not sure if you read it when I posted about my panic attack some months ago, but it was the worst feeling in the world.  In the end my doctor prescribed Paxil to me ... and let me say that it had me feeling really bad taking it.  I would wake up feeling like I was going to pass out ... and like I was in some sort of haze for about two weeks.  It wasn't until Terry (whom I miss dearly) summed it up in a simple sentence ... "You don't need drugs, just friends who will listen to you."  He couldn't have said it better.

    Overall this "analysis" of yourself is very informative ... and well ... you already know I'm schizophrenic ... LOL!  So I guess we will get along fine ... as long as I'm not around you when you're sick, since it seems you might be hell to live with then (just kidding) :lol:

    Love & Friendship,
    Liz

  • Wow, that was an awesome entry. I have been studying psychology for 3 years now in university and I'll tell you it's so hard not to see yourself in the books. When I took the "Abnormal Psychology" course last year, I could've sweared I had every disorder published in the DSM-IV. Well, aside from the sexual disorders. :lol:

    I have had my ups and downs in life, I have even done some stupid things to take my own life (I regret it very much, thank God I'm still alive) yet somehow, miraculously, I've managed to live through it all. I used to say that death was beautiful, that one day I would die and stay dead forever knowing I'll never have to face this horrible disease called "life" ever again.

    I still wallow in my depression these days. Breaking up with my ex-boyfriend hit me really hard and I've been on the rebound for over a year now. I fear that this rebound may be for life. :cry: I am also afraid of going to my university anymore because the place reminds me of him. I can only hope that I graduate quickly this year so I can get out of there.

    Well, I guess this is something everyone goes through, yet we always consider ourselves the unlucky ones. I work in a shelter for homeless/abused women and their children and there are waaaaay too many of them that are worse off than me. Not exactly something I take pride in, but I am just thankful each day to be alive and to be sane...hopefully, according to Freud!

    First day of classes tomorrow, I am not excited as you can see...I haven't even looked at my schedule yet, but eventually, time will force me to. I can either be avoidant of it or I can confront my fears and say to myself "Ok, I am only here to get my degree and to graduate in the summer, so I can move on with my life and experience the world out there. YOU CAN DO THIS!" Wish me luck! :wave:

  • Eek! I could've sworn "sweared" is not a word. Silly me! :giggle:

  • LMAO...You blame ME for WHAT?!?!  What on earth is going to happen?! 

    I'm not THAT confused...it's really just a split second.  I don't write huge long comments to people usually, but I do have a good memory, and I do read people's sites.  So it's not like I think you're Drakonskyr cause I'm that outta touch! 

    "No" would have sufficed, but in no way would it have been as much fun.  You are crazy..and I love that. 

    BTW.  I don't confuse you with anyone.  I dont' think that's possible.

  • :eek: ... This is what I think of your new profile pic!  I came over to hear the music ... and saw your new pic!  Yikes!!!  I like the pirate one so much better!  Bring it back ... please! :cry:

  • :sunny: Congratulations on making Featured Content!! I need to come back and read this long post-lol!

  • WOO HOO!

    Congrats on featured. It's about damned time.

  • Mike,I enjoyed and have been thinking about what you posted today
    This Passage
    Wouldn't grasp punitive pain
    When silent suggestions of peaceful pragmatism
    Pulls rabbits out of the hats of hatred
    resonates with myworld view.
    I come from a long line of intense,creative, thinking,and anything but peacefully pragmatic people. Speaking just for myself I can not tell you how often I thought wouldn't it just be easier to learn to want the things I am supposed to want? to be in agreement with the majority about matters like war and religion? to keep my moods a steady mellow hummm. The thing is then I would not be me. However,that said should I ever feel such pain as to not be functional ,or to want to die I will seek help...and if I ever hear from someone I trust that I am too happy ,too busy ,too intense to function as a parent I will seek help. I understand both the value and the difficulties that exist in seeking to name and treat extremes of mood.I have seen treatment keep a friend of mine out of the hospital and jail and alive and I respected him for being willing to give up the high before it took over his ability to make rational choices. On the other hand I think there is a real danger in thinking that we must never feel too intensely. The life that is led in constant moderation seems itself unhealthy. Thanks for the help with how to link :)

  • "Manic depression's a frustrating mess."  Your poems here are some of my favorites.  The scatternonsequiturlogical stuff you do is honest and I empathize too well.  Bipolar disorder runs in my family.  Mostly, I refuse to acknowledge that my personal and frequent ups and downs are completely off the charts.  For the most part, I can contain them and deal with them.    Boy, do "crazy" people make good artists.

  • YAY for you Michael -- I knew you'd make it and now I bet you will be a regular.  You always share creativity, information and education as well as entertainment and kindness!

    btw: I will email your interview questions tonight

  • Mike, i'm on the depression list, I knew it though . I loved all your poems. You are a wonderful conveyer of your thoughts. Be it poetry or just blogging and comments.

    Im happy you made featured. The times I made featured were , 2 of the times were the blogring for adults .
    One a  quiz, of all things! Now , who says quizzes are just fillers lol .. One a poem, a poem!! I couldnt beleive the poem one, anyway I dont care about being featured, I do care about who is featureed and looking at that page disgusts me. Young girls setting there nude ! It makes me sick , I love Xanga and I dont have premiusm so im not being charged, but still , shouldnt someone who runs Xanga look at some of this . It's like pornography for teenie boppers, this girl looked all of 12 . I even went and told her to put some clothes on and write an entry rather sit with her legs apart nude.
    I heard parts of LA were without power, glad it wasnt your neighborhood.
    Again, congratulations . Im happy for you.

    Peace and Love:)

  • Indeed congratulations on making Featured Content!

    Well deserved:goodjob:

    James Burke, and  PBS series "Connections"

     Was/is my favorite series,

    I use to show it to my classes... but sadly, they are no longer interested

    I'd love to hear a round table discussion of this subject, however, with you as moderator.

    Hummm, thats an interesting idea Mike ! If there were interest perhaps such "things" could be helpful.

    :wave:

    Doug 

     

  • hi mike.

    dear mike,

    congrats.

    and interesting, your taking the NIMH (great outfit, btw, at least before bushies took over, yes, even trying to manage basic research which is what all the national institutes do...) tests.

    as you know, i have lived an entire life with depression and dysthymia, with an incapacitating episode of depression lasting from 84 until 98 when celexa came on the market (earlier new ssri's didn't help much,just enough to keep me alive....)  i was off celexa for the past year - anger at doctors and at having to be tied to them since 84 - and that was a mistake.  small things, not major depression symptoms, were the result, but they were self-defeating behaviors related to dealing with abuse as a  child.  it really is like throwing a light switch to feel them coming back into effect, and as illluminating.  i will take them, gladly, the rest of my life. 

    bipolar disorder is no fun, and is difficult for people around the person who  has it (the first kid i took in off the street had newly presenting biplar disorder. people with it often wind up alone, as others simply find it wearing. 

    it's also "management intensive" if you rely on yourself to manage it - takes a hell of a lot of energy to try to keep one's balance, energy that could go elsewhere if the brain chemistry were better balanced, wasted energy really, that could have been applied to living. 

    i've never understood reluctance to correct brain chemistry with appropriate medications.  my mother was on one of the early antidepressants from the late 60's until she died.  i watched first hand how much it helped her, kept her out of mental hospitals, so not taking something was never a questions for me at all, although i thought that no one would ever create one that worked for me.  when celexa did, it was like, wow, this must be what normal people feel like all their lives.... like, wow!!!!! the first time in my life, and i was in my late 50's, that i felt like i was truly who i am.

    what's her  name, the woman who wrote the book connecting mania to creativity, she was the lover of the fellow who headed the national institute of alcohol and drug abuse at the time, fred, oh what's his name, he wrote the big book on bipolar disorder, did a disservice to everyone who suffers with mood disorders.   peter kramer, in his new book, takes this on directly, the issue of loosing creativitiy if one medicates.  although there may be a connection, millions of creative people are not bipolar. 

    i didn't become creative, designing, writing, painting, until AFTER i had been on prozac for two months, never even had the urge before.  i think that it somehow hooked up my right brain in a way it hadn't been before.  i also found myself able to examine and talk about underlying thought processes that i hadn't been able to bring into consciousness, to the perpetual despair of my grad school profs.   i also found i could read urdu (arabic/persian script, so from right t left) with ease instead of struggle after i started taking the new ssri antidepressants, even tho they didn't do a lot for my mood until i finally got on celexa.  sashi, remember sashi, the painter - he didn't start his painting until he had a depressive breakdown and started on zoloft.  

    anecdotal, yes, but i suspect that a little hard research would confirm this more widely.  

    as for problems with children taking antidepressants, my younger son started them at 13 and they saved his life.  granted there are problems, but the invisible suffering is so great that giving them a try, under extremely close supervision, is something i would do without hesitation for my grandchildren.  

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