December 23, 2010
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VOR: What a Queer World we live in.
THE VOICE OF REASON: Gays are equal too (or should be)
President Obama recently signed historic legislation repealing the military’s antiquated “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy which barred homosexuals from openly serving in the military. The California court system is in the process of perhaps overturning the controversial Proposition 8, from the 2008 ballot, which redefined “marriage” between a man and a woman. This effectively stopped the earlier rulings which granted homosexuals the right to form legal marriage unions in the state.
The debate about homosexuals goes back a long time to when they were “closeted”, afraid to show themselves to the world for fear of reprisals and harm inflicted upon them. According to Wikipedia, up to 20 percent of the population of the world might be either bisexual or homosexual. For the same reasons stated above, there is no really accurate count of homosexuals.
Humankiind has to put labels on everything, and homosexuality is defined as the coupling of two humans of the same sex. Coupling between members of the opposite sex is heterosexuality, and those who swing both ways are known as bisexuals. There are also people known as transsexuals, who go through life with gender identity problems, owing to odd mixtures of testesterone and estrogen (male and female hormones) in their bodies and sometimes strange genital arrangements.
I consider myself somewhat of a liberal thinker. I’ve known many gay people from back when the gay movement hadn’t even begun in earnest, back before the AIDS crisis even. Gays in those days lived two separate lifestyles. They couldn’t be themselves in public, and could only open up in private. This caused a lot of emotional problems for some people, including some people I knew at the time.
I’ve never been in the military, and I can’t say I ever held a stand on the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. But not too long ago, even with a history of knowing homosexuals and having homosexual friends (one of my roommates was gay) I held the stance that gays shouldn’t marry. I even voiced this opinion on Xanga in comments on anti gay marriage entries.
I was wrong. And I changed my mind.
The reasons I believed gays shouldn’t marry weren’t based on moral principles, although I was raised a Baptist in the Christian Church. I know the Bible has been rewritten and redefined over the centuries to favor the ruling elite, and push their programs on the populace at large, so it wasn’t any “Bible verse” which made me feel gays shouldn’t marry. (A lot of the stigma against gays in the Christian faith comes from Old Testament verses. Jesus said to love one’s fellow man, and this could be interpreted a whole nother way, if one wanted to put another spin on it.) I believed that same sex unions were biologically incorrect. Gays can’t propogate.
We would all like to believe that we possess common sense, and this dictates our daily lives, and informs our decisions. After a while, my common sense started to nag at me for dissing gay marriage. How can we define “sex” anyway? And should we? There are species which are asexual in nature. There are species which change their sex. There are species where the male is the caregiver to the baby. An obstetrician (doctor specializing in women and childbirth) once told me about some of the things she’s seen during her tenure in medicine. One cannot really split the world into two distinct sexes. There are too many anomalies in nature. Common sense soon told me that I was for some stupid reason being a bit hypocritical and bullheaded (a typical trait of us Taureans, so the astologists would point out).
I corrected my stance. I changed my mind.
It is a great day for humankind that the military no longer has to put up with an antiquated policy (actually created during the Clinton presidency, and better than the policy in place regarding gays prior to that, which didn’t recognize their existence at all.) It will be a great day for humankind when all the United States, and perhaps all the world recognizes that whether by choice or by genetic imprinting, there are some humans who prefer making love to and marrying life partners of the same sex.
Truth be told, I “experimented” a bit with bisexuality in the 70s. I’m heterosexual, but I’m also open minded.
As should be more people in the world. Most of the rifts dividing competing ideologies seem to concern Christians who are hard liners unwilling to let their common sense permeate their perceived principles. I call myself a practitioner of The Universal Mind, and my belief system is more in line with the Lakota Souix and Buddhism than with the majority of Christian theology, but I still pray to Jesus. He is still a factor in my upbringing. I received no warnings from Him when I changed my mind. Perhaps the world would be a better place if even more people changed theirs.
Homosexuals are not “damned”. Except in those places where they cannot legally cohabitate and receive the same benefits as opposite sex couples. It’s about time that “gay rights” become “civil rights” and we stop attempting to define them as different. Our gay friends are as human as you and I.
That’s what I hear when I listen to the Voice of Reason.
So I thought I’d come back with a vengeance, and post about a somewhat controversial subject which possibly shouldn’t be so controversial, eh? I wanted to write more “current events” style entires like this in my “Voice of Reason” series, but never got around to creating a graphic/header image. Well, maybe I should just forget about that for now. People need to listen to the voice of reason, and I feel like shouting it out around the Xangasphere. The point of this isn’t necessarily that I have a point of view, or even what is is really, but that I was able to change what I initially thought. This is how the world will become a better place. If people who never thought about changing their minds about something which they have been dogmatically taught, began to change them and “see the light” as it were, which will hopefully someday illuminate all humankind, then the world will become a better place. MFN/ppfPosted: December 23, 2010 7:16 AM
Comments (18)
I’m glad you’ve changed your mind. I am always ready to argue with people who cite the fact that gays cannot (traditionally biologically) procreate as an excuse for why it’s wrong. Mostly by arguing the converse. Infertile people should not marry. Women over 50 should not marry. People who choose not to have children should not marry; what an abomination. *grumble grumble grumble*
I’m with you Mike. I can’t say I endorse homosexuality, I don’t understand it or see how it could be “right” but I can’t deny their existence or see any reason they shouldn’t have the same ability to be who they want to be as I do. Like Tom Petty says “It ain’t nothin’ to me”
I uploaded that song just for this reply. It’s just how my mind works and I’m not really sure that’s “right” either.
It is a controversial subject which some Christian denominations have been dealing with. Episcopalians became divided over the issue of a homosexual bishop. I am a member of St. Andrew, a Lutheran church in the national ELCA synod. This past year the synod voted to allow committed homosexual couples to be called to serve a congregation if the congregation chooses to do so. We’ve no doubt lost membership synod wide over that vote. I’ve had a discussion with my Pastor regarding it as he invited anyone in our church to come and discuss it with him. I discovered from talking to Pastor Will that there are Lutheran congregations which minister to homosexuals, at least one of which is in Baltimore. I know some “gay” couples. They were friends of friends I have made. St. Thomas Aquinas Episcopal church in Dallas ministers to homosexuals.
I am a Christian. I know what the Bible says about the practice of homosexuality. However, the Bible also says that “all have sinned and come short . . . ” so I don’t think that any of us need to be pointing fingers of condemnation at anyone else. I believe that we don’t really understand what causes homosexuality. Personally, I am becoming convinced that true homosexuality is not a matter of choice. It seems to me that it’s another aberration that for some reason occurs when the fetus is developing, just as there are other abnormal conditions that occur during development. If that is so, then a homosexual is one who is born that way.. However, Jesus came for ALL people, including those who are homosexual. This also is a situation that the early church had to deal with as converts came from areas in which there was no prohibition against homosexuality, Greece, for example.
If “marriage” is to be defined as union between a man and a woman, fine. However, basically in our society, it is a civil union, so why not just call it that.. I see no reason why homosexuals shouldn’t be granted a civil union. Anyway, given the divorce rate among heteros and multiple successive marriages, how would granting the same right to homosexuals downgrade the institution of marriage and its sanctity?
Thanks for your visit and for comments. I appreciate.
~~Blessings ‘n Cheers
I almost did not continue to read this blog because I’ve always thought (and posted about recently) the military should look at the bigger problem of some of their enlisted men sexually harassing enlisted women. imo, the acronym DADT should have meant Don’t Ask, Doesn’t maTter.
As my eyes drifted, I caught: “I corrected my stance. I changed my mind.” :]
For reason, knowledge, learning, open-mindedness, and the importance these values have to the future of the human race, I recommend this blog.
I think you are right on the money with the homosexual issue.
After a long hiatus, myself, I actually didn’t realize that I’ve talked to you before. I am sorry, but I can still say that it is nice to meetcha again!
Perhaps we need to interact more often so I don’t forget we know each other.
You make an interesting point about the United States being more of a republic than a democracy, but I might note that it is what is known as a constitutional liberal democracy (this term in itself is a huge political science debate, but I like the idea and often use it). It has all the trappings of the ideals of a democracy (and those of a republic), but it also operates differently from an ideal democracy.
Oh, I was looking through some old posts of mine and I found one of your old profile pics popping up: http://wonderscafe.xanga.com/699586127/memories-removed/
Good times.
Hooray, a little bit of progress for us FINALLY!
I love gays and bi’s. My mother in law is a lesbian and she is one of the most wonderful people I know, and I am proud to call her a mother-of-mine. I’ve grown up with some gay people and I know a lot of them in the media. I could never say anything bad about them because on the whole, they seem a heck of a lot nicer than a lot of straight people. What I’m trying to say though, is that they’re equal. Every human being is equal, until they commit horrible crimes.
Great post though.
I support gay marriage but supposedly my uncle who is gay doesn’t (this is according to my mom). I’ve never brought it up in conversation with him since we maybe talk once a year. He lives on the other side of the US from me. I’m pretty sure no one in my family and a lot of the people I work with don’t support it. I find it so sad. How would they feel if they were told they couldn’t marry and would never be recognized as a couple? I’m big supporter of Alternative to marriage project. I think anyone who is a couple should be recognized. I had to get married for my family to accept my husband as a part of my life. We were together six years before eloping.
I’m just wondering if marriage is outdated or should be changed anyway. Not just for the GLBT movement.
I believe that everyone should be treated equal and so it’s nice to know that it was signed.
Congratulations on speaking up, and on your participation in the Great Journey that is life.
@Shining_Garnet - I do too.
What it boils down to is where do we get the source of truth. Bilble – then it’s clear homosexuality is wrong and marriage is between a man and woman; If from other sources then homosexuality is ok. I subscribe to the former. No one is born homosexual; if that was the case then free will is gone. I do believe because of imperfection there are those that have tendencies to enjoy the same sex. I hate how “sex/intercourse” has become such an issue in this subject. Take sex out of it and the subject is not perverted. There are other cultures that guys hold hands with guys and girls with girls. Nothing is seen as wrong in that. I once went to a culture that that was the case. At first I felt funny when a guy went to hold my hand, but got use to it and it was ok. I have people around me that are homosexual and I’m accepting but in disagreement of their life choice.
“it is a great day for humankind that the military no longer has to put up with an antiquated policy” – Well said. Not only was it antiquated, it was illogical.
I was in the army during the Korean War – 1951-54 – and at that time there were gays in the service even though it was absolutely prohibited. I don’t remember them getting hassled much,though at that time I had the usual distain for “homos” prevalent at the time. As a SGT, I actually had a gay MSGT as a roommate for awhile. We (my army buddies and I) used to kid him and I made the rule that none of his cute recruits were allowed in our room, but we, and he were good natured about it. Before then I had been a merchant seaman (for a year) and was aware that many seamen were gay.
The Army and Navy were natural havens for gays and always have been historically.I think what we have here is a gradual culture change regarding homosexuality – which means a pretty drastic re-interpretation of our religious values.
Thanks foir your visit and comment. I’m not surprised that you already know about the etymology of those expressions. I have improved greatly, so I was able to go to Christmas Eve 6 PM service and sing with the choir.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
~~Blessings ‘n Cheers
Have a very Merry Christmas.
Mike,
I pulled this up on my Dad’s IPad the other day and couldn’t comment, go figure, but I figured I’d swing back to comment when I got on a REAL computer…
I have always spoken my mind about homosexuality. I believe it’s a choice (and even though it’s not my life) I don’t condone people who decide that a woman or man is better for them than the opposite sex.
I have expressed my opinion – to my HIGHLY conservative friends – that I don’t see why two people of the same sex should not be entitled to the same thing a man and a woman are entitled to. My aunt is gay and for the longest time I thought her ‘friend’ was just that her best friend. When I was 10, I finally got up the courage to ask my dad if they were more than friends. Ever since then, I’ve always thought that they should be allowed to get married. If they’re already that devoted to one another, why not? (They were together 20 years before my aunt got sick of her g/f’s drinking and couldn’t take it any longer…she got really bad sometimes).
However, my aunt has found a new girl who makes her just as happy – if not more – and I’m happy for them.
One of my really good friends recently came out to me and I’m trying to help her deal with it. She was raised Catholic and in a family that frowned upon those kind of things and so I have been there to help her deal with the issue. It doesn’t help that she has low self-esteem anyways AND she found out she has cancer this year.
So, on a happy note, I think they should be entitled to the same as the rest of us.
Thank you for sharing, Mike.
Have a Happy New Year and I hope you enjoyed your Christmas!!