October 15, 2009

  • Socrates Cafe: Religion, Criticism, and the World's End.

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    This is the latest topic entry for the Socrates Cafe blogsite. I just wrote an entriy on Oct 10th, and it's still on the front page of my blog,  but I liked these questions, and decided to participate. (Probably because the 2nd and 3rd questions were ones I wrote. LOL. I tried to include all my thoughts, and yet I hope since I attacked all three topics, the entry isn't too long. It took me about 90 minutes to write this post. MFN/ppf


    A. Throughout history, most societies have had some form of religious beliefs, which generally seek to explain where we came from, why we are here, and what happens when we die. Why do humans seem to have this almost universal need to explain life?

    Humans are the only animal on the planet who think. (There might be other species who think, but since we can't understand their "language", we don't know this to be true except in the instance of mankind.) Because mankind thinks, and has been exercising this somewhat risky practice since possibly moments after his inception, he gets to pondering about everything around him which he doesn't know.

    In the beginning, man thought about simple things, and led a simple life, hunting, fishing, and clothing himself against the weather. Men wondered what happened to those who died, and never returned to their early societies. He also wondered about the cyclical nature of the universe. The sun and moon seemed to circle the earth at standard intervals, which could be recorded. The stars seemed also to conform to time tested traditions of circling the earth on which early man stood in patterns which could be ascertained and studied. Because the sun and moon seemed to nurture and placate humankind, these heavenly bodies became "spiritual" to him, and he began to worship them as deities.

    As time went on, mankind created even more deities, each with a special power. In good times, these gods and goddesses seemed to smile on man, and everyone was happy. In bad times, man thought he needed to give something back, and usually resorted to sacrificing his enemies on a regular basis in order to insure a bountiful harvest. Some men seemed to be endowed with "prophecy" and these prophets sowed the seeds for early religions. Soon, religions became so enmeshed with the societies which invented them, that the religious leaders became, in effect, society's leaders, equally making pacts with neigboring nations, and governing the populace at large. Tithes and taxes kept the ruling class rich and powerful, and the threat of the "wrath of God" kept the plebians in their humble place.

    If man lived forever, and the weather didn't get bad sometimes, perhaps he would never have needed "beliefs" which transcend his knowledge. But death and weather, coupled with his nagging proclivity to wonder about everything, helped to foster a "faith" in the unknown, and attempt to explain "where" he went when he died, and to hopefully stop geology and weather from ruining his fragile existence by placating these "higher powers" in some way. 

    B. What is the nature of criticism? Can one be critical without seeming disagreeable?

    I have a thick book at home called "The Theory of Modern Criticism" which I bought as a text for some forgotten Comp Lit class in college. It was a difficult read. Full of wordy explanations which didn't really seem to explain anything.

    Much like Philosophy.

    Technical criticism on the nature of beauty, artistic worth, literate musings, and a wealth of other pursuits of humankind has been around since man first began to draw those cave paintings. The cave paintings simply described the thrill of the hunt, but someone figured out that since they stuck around for a few generations, they were in fact "art". And as soon as "art" became a known practice and commodity, the "art" of criticism sprang up to ascertain whether it was worth a trip to the cave gallery or not.

    On the internet, and especially in the blogosphere, where this and other essays appear and reappear like wanton weeds, criticism seems to have degenerated into a practice where thoughtful critical thinking has been replaced by virtriol and uninformed hatred filled opinion. Words are thrown around like so much wastepaper, and every blog entry or news article has a "comments" section where the "mob" can throw invectives at any statement or opinion. Warring opinions can cover many paragraphs, and waste much time in the reading therof, and no consensus is ever acheived.

    True "criticism" is discourse about the nature of whether something is worth it or not, as art or literature. Criticism as a true form can also discuss nature. Is this flower beautiful? Is this sunset spritually uplifting? The word "critical" has come to mean not the musings about the nature of why something is beautiful or not. It has negative connotations. When someone is "critical" they are negatively assessing the worth of some thing or idea. Criticism was never meant to be negative in nature.

    Before entering the blogosphere as a writer, I ran writer's groups on message boards. There were two types of groups. One didn't allow criticism and the other did. Insasmuch as these groups were supposedly created to give budding authors encouragement and assessment of their work, the lack of critical thinking concerning said work on the "fawning" group sites seemed a tad ridiculous. On the other hand, the "crits" which showed up on the critical groups were more likely barbs and attacks rather than true criticism. (One reason I don't run groups like this anymore is that I simply didn't have time to properly assess the writing at hand in a true 'critical' way.

    On the news sites, internet wide, commenters always love to point out mistakes. Criticism seems to be a collection of pointing fingers, aimed at letting everyone know they made a mistake, even if the "mistake" can be contested. Contested discourse on the internet however never comes out evenly for any side of the matter. One can be bombarded with enough negativity that the actual truth of any situation gets muddied in the muck of public opinion. And everyone is critical, it seems, but nobody is a talented critic.

    It has been written extensively (usually in the dying journalistic traditions of the actual press) that newspaper critics are being replaced by an amalgam of opinion. Instead of a respected film criitc, for example, a website like Rotten Tomatoes distills all the critical writing, including guest comments from anyone and anybody, into a "rating" for any given film. In the "age of information" there is so much of it, that nobody has the time to read critical thought, especially when the word has such negative connotations now anyway. The average film viewer doesn't want to know the reasons why someone with years of experience writing about film might have an opinion. The average viewer just wants to know what percentage of critics liked or disliked the film.

    In the age of Twitter, information is being diluted to just 140 characters or less. That book I have which discusses the nature and history of criticism is over 1500 pages long. True criticism was never meant to be disagreeable, but modern criticism seems to have forgotten that fact, and has become nothing but disagreements and uninformed opinion.

    C. What significance, if any, does the "end date" in ancient American calendars, such as the Aztec Cuauhxicalli Eagle Bowl or the earlier Mayan Tzolk'in, mean to either the life of mankind or to geologic time? The ending of last cycle in these calendars is usually placed somewhere in December of 2012. Is the world going to end on that date?

    There is a calendar hanging on my wall which ends on December 31st, 2009. If I don't put another calendar on the wall, does the world end at that time?

    For the past decade or so, I've been reading a lot of "doomsaying" concerning the fact that ancient mesoamerican calendars have an "end date" and that date hovers around the actual date of December 21st, 2012. These tracts, which proliferate on the internet, along with various other conspiracy theories and end times scenarios, never seem to bring up the fact that perhaps the Mayans or the Aztecs simply ended their calendar because the stone got too big, and never got around to creating the next one perhaps because the Spanish conquistadors destroyed their civilization and killed most of them off.

    An upcoming film, "2012", is being directed by Roland Emmerich, who attempted to destroy the world by aliens with "Independence Day" in 1996, with "Godzilla" in 1998, and with global warming in "The Day After Tomorrow" in 2004. This time he channels the paranoia surrounding the 2012 end date. The movie comes out later this year, so it will hopefully make lots of money before the end date rolls around.

    Whenever benchmark times or heavenly bodies appear on the horizon, certain segments of mankind seem to always begin proclaiming the doom and gloom. The earth is a small rock hurtling around the sun, naked and exposed to anything the universe wants to throw at it. The moon could fall out of the sky. Meteors or comets could hit us at any time. Tides can turn, and the ozone layer can disappear. Any and all manner of end time scenarios have already been posited, and when the "end time" date passes, the event is forgotten, and the doomsayers make their corrections, set their clocks anew and mark their calendars for the next one. We just went throught this whole thing at the turn of the millennium. Just as mankind did during the turn of the last one.

    The universe didn't invent time. Mankind did. The universe doesn't have a set conclusion, or a set beginning. Mankind, in his need to know and to understand his fate, will always think about the whys and wherefores of his existence. It's in his nature, and has been since the beginning. Perhaps the Mayans did think the world would end in 2012. History proves that they were wrong. Their world ended long ago. No matter what date mankind thinks his total existence will disappear, in fact his individual existence will disappear soon enough. All men die. Everybody perishes. Ashes to ashes.  Dust to dust. It is this inconclusive fact that drives man to conclude that eventually everythning will end for everybody. It does. Eventually, one by one. Maybe there is a global catastrophe on the horizon. Maybe not. But why worry about it? People live and then they die. After death, the universe opens up for all life, and what we know as corporeal life passes into the Universal Mind, a collection of all thought, all cosmic consciousness, all in all and everything in everything. It is so large a concept that nobody living can understand it, and we're simply not meant to. Not at this time.

    So we'll continue to create calendars, and worry about the end of the world. It's been around a long time before we got here, and won't be going away all that soon. Mankind probably won't perish en masse like the dinosaurs. (And who knows, maybe we've got that scenario all wrong!) But man will continue to perish, one by one, as he has since he first stepped foot on the planet. And with each passing, those who remain, will wonder about their own personal fate at the behest of the universe.

Comments (67)

  • "criticism seems to have degenerated into a practice where thoughtful critical thinking has been replaced by virtriol and uninformed hatred filled opinion" -- so true.  Why do you suppose that is?

  • Excellent questions and excellent answers.

    Religion, the way I see it, is a man-made construct of personal thoughts and ideas placed on personal misinterpretations of doctoring.

    We all see the world through our personal filters and we judge and interpret what we see. So, the good and bad does not come from the spiritual doctrines, it comes from how we interpret and judge them throughout filters.

    What we need to do is to learn how to slowly drop our filters and judgments and learn how to actually see what they are telling us.

  • Hey, Mike! Great questions and answers! This was very interesting to me! I will have to see that movie you mentioned. It will be interesting to see how they present it. You must have a brain the size of a house! I love reading what you have to say. You challenge me to be a deeper thinker!

    HUGs and Happy Thursday to you!!!

  • @reckless_eagle - What you said here is excellent! Such wise observations! You have expressed something I've been thinking about lately.

  • "Existence, what does it matter? I exist on the best terms I can. The past is part of my future. The present is well out of hand." - Ian Curtis, Joy Division

  • I particularly enjoyed your thoughts about the whole "end date" concern.  I will need to remember these comments when someone asks me about this!  I had much the same thought about it but you have expressed it much more clearly.  Great job!

  • 1)  how do we explain the seemingly infinite wonders of our world?  science and/or god, glory be, i'm plunked down here to enjoy and wonder all i can!

    2)  "Much like Philosophy"  lol.  criticism:  i luv the kind that stops me dead in my tracks with a different perspective.  but you're correct, people sometimes don't give ideas good thought, and/or just like to spout off.  not that i'm criticising , lol

    3)  good one Mike.   if i die on or about dec 21, 2012, the mayan end date would then be correct for me

  • Bald Mike, you are frikken ADORABLE, look at you! :goodjob:

  • :wave: Very deep stuff, Mike. I especially liked your thoughts on criticism.

    I don't have specific comments to make, except that I believe Socrates Cafe is very well written. 

    ~~Blessings 'n cheers :goodjob:

  • critical thinking = name-calling. especially when the "argument" hits it's stride. it's like people can't continue with their side of things, before they give up and make angry ad hominem attacks. it's like throwing in the towel, really.

  • People are largely practical creatures. People built temples and honored deities with offerings and sacrifices because they thought that was the most effective way to influence events and outcomes in the world around them. Now we put money into science and politics for exactly the same reason. If someday science discovers (or creates) some extradimensional entity that can be convinced to exert influence over events in our world, the public will go right back to temples, offerings, and sacrifices so fast their heads will swim.

  • Mike, you've articulated your thoughts so beautifully here! Humans do have that basic need to question everything about their very existence. It's something all of us are programmed to do from birth until death.

  • Well written, especially the last part. I've heard that the poles are expected to shift around that time, though I dont have any hard facts right now to back that up. Perhaps it is time for some research.

  • Hey Michael, :wave:

    Bravo! Very well done, my friend. Thank you for sharing your, as always, insightful and beautiful words with us.

    BE blessed.

    Steve

  • I have been thinking a lot about these questions lately.  I saw the commercial trailer for that movie 2012, but had no idea that this director was responsible for those other "doomsday" movies. 

    As I have gotten older, I have realized that much of religion is meant to offer comfort and provide answers for the believers.  Unfortunately, I have never felt the satisfaction of being able to cling to any of them.

  • Wow, your thoughts on when and how everything came into perspective to when and how everything will end-kinda like an apocalypse, is very interesting.

    Regarding criticism, I think it's either to negatively pass judgement or to entice another into trying harder: Similar to encouraging others, but perhaps indirectly.

    Your thoughts on doomsday is also very clever. I'm Buddhist, so your thoughts on manking comming to an end isn't necessarily a big change.

    Buddhist believe that when man dies, the body returns back to the earth, but the spirit continues to on... Depending on one's karma, one can travel to reincarnation or one can remain trapped as a spirit walking the earth. Reincarnation doesn't necessarily mean to come back as a human form or any form on earth, reincarnation means to come back in any form you were destined to... And again, depending on your karma, you can return in various forms or being... Hence, if one day mankind became extinct, another form of being will rise. Whether if that form is on earth or anywhere in the universe, it's still us... Our body may return back to the earth, but the spirit travels on.. It's like a continum, the spirit will never cease to exist...

  • man just to ponder all of this..... you must have a huge brain!   yo mike keep on rockin!

  • I like your thoughts on the 2012 question.

  • Hi Mike, Sorry about the delay linking you - I just got through the drive from Hell - Rain through MA & NY, driving whiteout snow through PA, rain the rest of the way to FL - where we just arrived safely.
    Here's a Socratic question (Surprise!) on each of your comments:
    A. Why do you think early humans "though about simple things" and led a life any more "simple" than ours? Was their life simple or just different?
    B. Isn't criticism simply comparison with an ideal? Are critics always negative? Why?
    C. Is time, from the human viewpoint, cyclic or evolutionary?

  • @thereluctantsinger - Dear Susan, I'd probably attibute this to the "dumbing down" of society in general. Analysis and research are so easy now, that hardly anyone sees the need to analyze or research. Or even read anything to it's conclusion. In times past, discourse, or written analysis was as long as it needed to be. Nowadays, nobody has the time (or takes the time) to delve deeply into any subject. "Instant communication" as in the blogosphere, fuels instant emotional response, rather then more clear headed analytical thinking, and if someone disagrees, he becomes disagreeable instead of honesly critical.

    @reckless_eagle -  Dear Victor, Although not phrased in the Socratic method, I would like to address your statement concering dropping our filters when considering the nature of spirituality. I've written many times that humankind needs to use the global communications system afforded him with the internet to recognize his similarites instead of concentrating on his differences. If he could drop his "filters" he would be more able to accomplish this, but instead of communication and understanding, mankind seems to use the fact of global communication to simply construct larger "soapboxes" from which to spout his individual rather than shared opinons and ideas.

    @Socrates_Cafe - Dear Socrates. A. I'm comparing the tenor of the times, and perhaps this is an incorrect thing to do. In the early age of man, "simple" existence was not so simple. He had to figure out a way to clothe himself, for example. He needed to figure out which material was best suited, how to obtain the material, how to hunt and kill the beast which provided the material. Then he needed to figure out how to skin and tan the beast, cut and attach the skin to his own. There were no books to tell him how. So perhaps I should have reworded the paragraph. Sometimes in my attempt for the words to "sound" good, the meanings as interpreted might not contain enough veracity. "Different" is a far better term. B. Critics are not supposed to be negative, but I think the idea of positive critical thought is passe from a modern perspective. The heart rules the head, and people tend to be disagreeable when "criticizing" rather then form opinions based on careful study. I'm known as a pretty fine poet in the blogosphere, but last night a poem series I posted on a Facebook group was "criticized" by someone who didn't like the first few lines of the poem, and didn't even bother reading the rest. They mentioned this in their comment! That didn't stop the critic from spouting what I would consider personal attacks, even though they don't even know me, nor read the complete work. The idea of the "ideal" comes from the true study of the critical methodology, which isn't being practiced hardly at all, esp. in the blogosophere. C. From a human viewpoint, "time" is linear. (I think that's a better word than "evolutionary") Man sees what is happening, what has happened, and tries to predict, based on these "facts", what will or might happen in the future. I think from the viewpoint of quantum physics, time is nonexistent, so perhaps "cyclical", if that term could be applied. In my writings, I'm always comparing existence, as the ancient Lakota Souix did, to a wheel. The mesoamerican calendars utilized "time cycles" and perhaps the "end" of the cycles in their calendars were or were not meant to chronicle the "end" of the world as we know it, but just the end of one cycle, and the beginning of another. The sun always seems to "come up" at the beginning of a new day.

  • A. Why do you suppose many modern humans equate "prior" with more primitive? Is there some kind of tendency for us to regard our times as the culmination of an ever-advancing move toward perfection? Where did we ever get this idea?

    B. Are good teachers also "good" critics?

    C. Where/when do all those cycles start? Is there some kind of common starting point. Incidentally I think I know when time will end - at least on my account

  • i enjoyed this read as much as i believe you enjoyed the writing... it's a pleasure to read well articulated originally synthesized thoughts...  you have to really dig for them here on xanga...  there's so much other proverbial crap to excavate and navigate one gets weary from the journey...  and then you stumble across a blog such as yours and the effort becomes worth the concentrated and exhaustive effort!  thanks for sending me your link - i have similar thoughts posted through some of my blogs - i'm less patient than you - although as i age i'm getting better...  and my kids help the maturation process... by the way we share a similar first name - although i pronounce mine with an 'L' on the end...  i'll see you in my travels, keep up the excellent work!

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