September 25, 2009

  • The Decline (and Perhaps Fall?) of the United States of America

    The Decline (and Perhaps Fall?) of the United States of America

    An essay by Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool

    Disclaimer: I don’t want to give the impression that I have any journalistic credibility at all. I studied both journalism and telecommunications back in high school and college, a long time ago. I even edited our high school newspaper for a year, instead of a semester, as was the practice, since we had a small staff that year. I have read the Los Angeles Times for over 30 years, and I’ve read many news magazines, journals, and online news feeds, including the two big ones, Reuters and AP. Sometimes I get my middle east news from Al Jareeza. I don’t watch television news anymore, after growing disgusted with the entertainment aspect and tendency to turn everything into a “show”, especially after 9/11/01. I will watch selected news clips online. I never watch Fox, preferring NBC or CNN. I read a lot in the blogosphere, both on Xanga and in general. I’m no expert, but I believe I’m informed enough to have opinions. The following is merely an observation. MFN/ppf


    I’m upset and distressed.

    Even though I always try to maintain a positive outlook for a hopeful future, and relish the good things in life, a few things have been grating on my mind lately as I read the news and try to digest the possible outcomes of some of the scenarios I see brewing. I like to say I live in the “world” as opposed to an isolationist country called the United States. Global dispensation of information, thanks to the internet and the “age of information” has afforded me the opportunity to really understand, or attempt to understand, the various differences in the peoples of the world, and even more importantly, the similarites, even though a lot of people seem to disagree vehemently about the most basic of tenets.

    For years, I’ve written on my blog and website that I believe the internet is a wonderful tool, where a lot of information can be gleaned, but that because it is a relatively unregulated forum, both truth and hearsay can exist perilously close in cyberspace, and the naive and uninformed can be easily boondoggled and hornswaggled into “understanding” the hearsay as truth, instead of the other way around.

    The other day I came across an entry from a rather popular Xangan who asks questions on his site. He asked a question concerning the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings in New York City five days after the eighth anniversary of this most heinous terrorist action. The question he posed was this: What brought the World Trade Center buildings down, the planes or explosives that were planted? I had to stop reading after only a few dozen comments. Not only does the 9/11 conspiracy theory, which for the most part declares that the towers fell because the U.S. government planted explosives to implode them, thereby making a case for invading Iraq, strike me as insane and un-American, besides some commenters belief in such a theory, there were JOKES made about the fall of the towers. This disturbs me greatly. Right after the towers fell, I still retained my “dove” status, and was derided on message boards on the internet for my views, in which I felt an invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan would result in a bloody mess that would last for years. I compared such a military action with Vietnam, and was roundly criticized. In the days right after the attacks, everyone was a patriot.

    Now, less than a decade later, it’s okay to make jokes about the deaths of over 3,000 people. This disturbs me greatly. It doesn’t surprise me that there are conspiracy theorists either, although it’s interesting that these theorists didn’t jump out right after the attacks, when the world wide consciousness seemed to be that the attacks were dreadful and atrocious. I always called Bush the “antichrist” but he certainly didn’t have anything to do with 9/11, except use it as an excuse to get the American people all riled up and angry, so he could go into Afghanistan and eventually Iraq and attempt to finish the job his father failed to do during the Gulf War. (and as I predicted, create “another Vietnam” in the process.)

    What bothered me about reading the comments on the particular post wasn’t that some misguided people believed wholeheartedly in the conspiracy theories. But that some people made fun of and joked about the fall of the World Trade Center and the 9/11 attacks.

    On the other hand, now that we have an African American mixed race President (I don’t consider Barack Obama “black” since he is part white) an event that was widely praised around the world right after the election, it seems to me from reading the news and some of the blogs that the South is rising again, and some folks seem to think the U.S. would be better of if our President were KILLED. A lump gets in my throat, and I start to get constricted just thinking about this. Nobody should ever think of killing anybody. And talk of killing a president is considered traitorous. I can understand if someone doesn’t like the guy, or even respect him or his policies. But talk of acutally ending his life hearkens back to the days of lynchings. The civil rights movement was back in the 60s, but there is a mentality running through the country where talk of assasinating the president of the U.S. is okay. This bothers me greatly. I read yesterday that there is a historic shortage of bullets in the U.S. right now. I’m all for gun ownership for hunters, but for the most part they don’t use handguns, and those are the bullets which are in short supply. I was greatly troubled at this bit of news.

    The unabashed and petty outbursts of celebrities and politicians  lately gets my goat. In one week, a famous tennis star seems to go ballistic (on the court) over what she believes is a bad call. A famous hip hop personality jumps onstage at an awards show and grabs the microphone from the winner to declare who he thought should win. A U..S. Congressman belts out “You Lie” during a speech by the president. I see where this came from and I can postulate where it’s going. Perhaps the proliferation of “blog mentality” where people can joke about the 9/11 attacks, or troll the blogosphere spreading vitriol and hate bombs upon those they feel are misguided (or too popular, from the “exodus” of top bloggers from Xanga I’ve been reading about) is spreading to the “real world”. People don’t seem to have a “moral compass” anymore. They “tweet” their innermost feeling. Celebrity twitter feeds are followed by milliions. So they don’t feel as if they need to practice manners at all anymore.

    I’m upset and distressed.

    The global stage has always been a hotbed of colonial oppression, infighting among rebellious factions, warring tribes and bloody messes. America used to have common sense. Now it seems, the United States is falling into a state of seige, where even the most tolerant and understanding person must be thinking “what’s going on?” Our society is quartered into religious zealots who don’t believe in scientific endeavor, ornery bloggers who think they know everything and that their opinion is holy, talk show hosts who love to rile up the masses, and conspiracy theorists who spread lies around the internet. Then there’s the rest of us, and we don’t know how we can make a change for the better. I’ve always believed the internet could be a worldwide discussion board, and that consensus could be reached among the most disparate of peoples. Now, in my own country, I’m seeing a rift grow almost as wide as the one that split the country in two back in 1861.

    I like to say I don’t know the answers, but I think about the questions. The media always reports on the worst news and it makes us think things are worse than they really are.
    I’m sure that the majority of people in my country are level headed, common sensical folk who are wondering why things seem to be falling apart, just like myself.

    Aren”t they?

    Are you?

Comments (45)

  • In journalism we have a saying. If it bleeds, it leads. None of us really have the answers we’re just doing the best we can. Some are blinded by strong emotions like hate, but all of us are blinded by our own self interests. George Carlin used to say that if you think you have the answeres then you’re part of the problem. I’m not sure I agree with that, but it is important to keep the talking heads into perspective.

    Great post Mike!

    :spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning::spinning:

  • I love that you are a staunch pacifist like myself; I have a hard time disagreeing with anything you’ve said here. Except two things:
    1. “Conspiracy theorists” were around immediately. They were drowned by the rallying cry for war, along with so many things like tolerance and positive discourse. You know.
    2. The comments about President Obama’s race are, like all comments about “race,” totally ridiculous. We are all human; “black” and “white” are constructs of culture to justify treating persons differently based on how much melanin his/her skin produces.
    In short, though, keep being awesome Mike. Say what needs to be said!!

  • The vocal activists always make more noise than contemplative pacifists… just the nature of the beasts. Activists tent more toward aggression and therefore garner the most attention. Trouble is, activists are unpredictable. I think reason will prevail if all this divisiveness doesn’t become a self-fulfilling prophecy before things get to cool down.

  • I don’t know anyone who seriously believes our nation would be better off if our president were killed. I, for one, pray daily for his safety. I don’t like him a a President, can’t stand his policies and ideologies, but he is a fellow human being.

    What I have seen, over and over, is people who do like him accusing me and my fellow Americans who don’t, of wanting him dead. I see us being accused of racism because of his skin color, when most of us also disagreed with Bill Clinton who’s policies and ideas were similar – and his skin is light. I see us compared to terrorists and called un-American because we don’t blindly agree with and accept everything our government does, or because we dare to ask questions.

    I can only wonder – what is really more dangerous? Dissent, or the oppression thereof? The founding fathers of this once-great nation had plenty to say on that matter, but for too long most of us as a nation have decided to ignore them.

  • I think the racism issue is now our own fault — “for statistical purposes” we insist on calling African American anybody with ANY African background, regardless of how they think of themselves, and regardless of the ratio of their blood lines.  What disturbs me more, though is the destructive, vitriolic nature of the debates we are having at this time — whatever happened to respectful debate, which is much more productive!

  • As you know from reading my blogs, I take the viewpoint that what we are seeing is the impact of a series of fairly comprehensive Culture Changes, using Culture Change in the sociologist’s technical meaning of the term ( A re-interpretation of Basic Values and their application).
    When such a change occurs there is always a good deal of social and political displacement and argument between those wedded to the old order and those who wholeheartedly push for the new interpretations. Sort of “The good old days” t-baggers and “give us our country back” vs those in favor of some sort of “New World Order” or other radical social change. The sixties and seventies were a time of such dramatic value reinterpretation and gave us such things as the Civil rights Acts and end to a lot of racial discrimination as well as the internet.
    Today we are seeing the second phase of this change after a good deal of pulling and hauling. The “Reagan Revolution” and Bush’s Wars were obviously attempts to stem the tide of change and the inevitable movement toward change are still being protested by a smaller and smaller group of those who just cannot bring themselves to accept history and the modern world.

  • I’m not falling apart, probably because when it gets down to crunch time, I need to be ready for action.  Sounds as if I’m worried, but I’m really not.  Just prudent.  I can’t really explain my optimism, but it may have something to do with having a good man in the White House.

    I don’t know who’s making jokes about 9/11, but it’s sure not OK that they are.

    I DO know (personally) at least some people who talk about Obama being assassinated.  I don’t think they’re serious.  But I do warn them that they had better not be.

  • @nidan - Dear Jimmy, I’m aware of the saying. One of the reasons I don’t watch t.v. news is because of the “pundits”, who are dragged out to comment on something before all the facts are in.

    @RaVnR - Dear RaVnR, I followed  a lot of reports immediately after the attacks, and even though this was before the blogging phenomenon, I did write a response essay (link to the entry reposted here on my blog). I can’t necessarily remember the first reports I heard about the conspiracy theories, but it was quite a while after the attacks themselves. I’ll agree that some extreme faction probably started talking about a conspiracy right away. Perhaps I shouldn’t have put in the line about mixed race.

    @radicalramblings - Dear Wendi. Thanks for the visit and the comment. I certainly hope you don’t know anyone who thinks the president would be better off dead! I was frankly amazed to read the advocation, and I saw it twice, in comments on some blogpost elsewhere in the blogosphere, if memory serves. I’m sad than anyone is “accusing” you of any ill will toward anyone. The founding fathers were a bit traitorous, if one championed the English cause. Dissent isn’t dangerous. But the blind opposition toward respectable dialogue is pretty dangerous, and this is what I’m upset about.

    @slmret - Dear Janet, I agree, and that’s why I mentioned that Obama is mixed race. Why not call him white instead of black?

    @tychecat - Dear Dick, I just wanted to vent in this piece about the general tone of unrest I am seeing. The unrest in the 60s (in which I participated somewhat later on, when an idealistic youth) was mainly against the war in Vietnam, although certain crazy factions did blow up banks and there were some groups who advocated violence. The tone of this entry is one of awe and disgust. I could have lumped in all the killings I read about daily, as well. I picked the title of the post to make it stand out. I really don’t think the U.S. will “fall”. (At least not yet.)

  • I know for a fact that there were conspiry theorist talking way back right after the world trade center went down. It hasn’t taken 10 years or so to develope. It just takes 10 years or so for it to be heard by so many people for you to take notice.
    The world is scarey. Has always been that way since man has been around I would beleive. We can be absolutely horrible and then we can also be very loving as well.
    Celebrities do what celebrities do so they can get attention it helps them make money. Other normal people do things just to get attention for emotional responses. Some need inside to feel loved.

  • Thank you so much for your kind words.

  • Very well said. I really enjoyed this post.

  • @Krissy_Cole - Dear Krissy, Thank you so much. I was hoping perhaps this post would get a couple of recommends or three but I guessed wrong. MFN/ppf 

  • I’ve been wondering a while now. Eight years of war should be enough. Time for a lttle peace and prosperity again, but I’m not seeing either on the horizon.

  • interestingly enough, the young blogger who thought my post about civility was racist also believes that there is no right or wrong- that anything goes… with conflicts like that, we’re bound to be a bit schizoid.

    there might have been dissenters about 9/11 right after it- but there were none that i knew in nj- we were too busy grieving and trying to make sense from the chaos to think about “hidden conspiracies” when the real conspiracies were already costing all of us so much and about the time we began to breath is when ppl at my local post office started getting ill from anthrax. the rumors about the towers started circulating soon after that but everyone i knew was too busy attending funerals, and finding new jobs, and trying to find safe places for the kids left w/o parents.

    but i believe in dissent. i think we need it to be strong and to be free, but we need to know how to disagree, what to disagree about, and what hinders communication for w/o communication, dissent is a rally no one cares about. part of the problem is the attitude of my young blogger friend who thinks there is no such thing as right or wrong and that it is all lies. with that kind of attitude nothing prevents you from jumping on stage and taking away someone else’ moment in the sun, or from yelling at the President, or taking someone else’ life bc they have something you want. it’s not the only part and my friend will probably say she was just “messing with me” bc once you say that, you can say whatever you like to whomever you like and it’s all good. but saying there is a moral problem with the USA is taken as well as saying the emperor has no pants. we all kind of notice it, but no one wants to admit there is a flaw that’s hurting us. we try to solve it by making more laws as if by making a law we can force ppl to do the right thing. twitter while driving? i can if i want. leave my dog in a hot car w/o lowering the windows- it’s my dog i can do what i want with him. ride w/o a helmet- it’s my head. don’t tell me what i can and can’t do… but a society depends on each of us and our decisions rip outwards like the rock in the pond. nicely said btw… and it reflects some of how i’m feeling right now!

  • @endlesssummer128 - @jerjonji - Dear Monica and Jeri, I seem to have spoken too soon. Thanks for the recommends. Three recs pushes a post up pretty far on the rec’d page ladder, and helps to drive more traffic to blogs. I’ve begun recommending more often, when I see a post that’s really well written and timely/and of just plain great to read.

  • @baldmike2004 - I didn’t even realize that I didn’t rec it. Consider that done.

  • Looking on from the U.K. I’ve feared someone would shoot Obama from the start of his presidency but I’m flabbergasted to read that it’s being publicly proposed/said! Leonard Cohen calls the USA ‘the cradle of the best and the worst’ in his song ‘Democracy’ and that seems pretty true. I greatly appreciate the sanity of what you’ve said here. I hope that all will be well.

  • jokes about awful things that happen i just don’t get either.  maybe it’s a way to cope, or maybe it’s more bad things.  to newscasters and celebs i give very little of my attention, and am usually not into what’s popular.  i think most bad things that happen, people-wise, are due to ignorance and/or fear.  i would like to see more respect, love, and peace, but realize that i cannot force anyone else into those modes, only can i try to be them myself.

    you got some good comments going here Mike, good post.

  • It seems to me that there is nothing new that is going on, just a different version. Remember the 60′s and 70′s and all the turmoil during those years? 

    I voted for Obama, gladly, but so much was destroyed during the prior administration that it is going to take a long time to fix. In the end result, I believe, no politician is going to “save us”…Each of us have to educate ourselves, improve ourselves, and “peace out”…..I am all for passive resistance if the times call for it…but then you’ve got to expect the police state to react. Fear feeds on itself. I think sometimes the young folks don’t realize, truly realize the lessons history teaches, and it’s not their fault they don’t understand. My parents grew up during the depression, my dad fought in WWII, and my grandfather in WWI…..it wasn’t until the past decade that I fully realized how much of an impact that war has on our lives…….generations and generations later.

    That being said, of course the MSM, which I detest, has a heyday at the slightest provocation…….and so many people in this country just believe what they are told. That is the frustrating part.  The world plain doesn’t make sense. Every day I have to make it a point to count my blessings, appreciate nature, and remember not to take anything for granted. The only thing that is going to destroy hate is love.

  • Excellent post!

  • I think the way we are going, in which media demagogues lead people and strongly influence public opinion, is a bad one. When I see some of those in the media, like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh use hatred and anger as a means by which to get ratings, I a reminded of the character Prothero is “V for Vendetta”. It doesn’t seem to be acceptable to just dissent, people seem to need to hate instead. Though, on the other hand, American politics has always been tough. A century ago, it was normal for a politician to be called a drunk and an adulterer by opponents and the media even if there was no evidence that he was one. But I guess we still sort of do the same thing.

  • The lack of civility and spread of false information really bothers me, as well as the new tendency to demonize those who have an opinion different from our own. This type of atmosphere makes it easy for any individual or corporation with money to spread dysinformation and galvanize public opinion to favor their interests. Once falsehoods are repeated enough times, they often are accepted as “truths.” I wish that we could have more non-partisan websites like factcheck.org that could address all these rumors and conspiracy theories, and that more people would turn to them to check out information they hear on the web or from talking heads on TV.

  • Polarization a demonisation are rather common things. You and I are not likely to fully agree on things. And that should not be such a big deal but it is getting to be that way

  • For someone to make fun of that day, and of the lives that were lost is a horrible, unthinkable thing. Some people, have no heart, or integrity, or shame for that matter. That day is burnt into my heart and memory for all time. I can imagine it no other way

  • People don’t seem to have a “moral compass” anymore.

    And that is the problem. Seems to me–no one knows what is right and wrong anymore. :nono:

  • Good post, Michael.  There is much we agree on here.  I wish I could have put it as well as you did.

  • I know what you mean. The origional 13 colonies each were founded by different Christian churches. No matter what the history revisionists say, The USA had it’s beginnings run by men who believed in God and believed the Bible. Fortunately Christians today are not persecuted by the government but there is alot of Christian bashing in ignorance. I don’t know how far this is going to go here in America. I’m thankful I have the freedom to practice my Christian faith today but I don’t know how long my freedom will last. Christians seem to be hated for our beliefs and world view which isn’t hurting anyone anywhere. We just believe someday things are going to fall apart just before Jesus Christ returns. 911 is no laughing matter. It may have well been the beginning of a slow moving crises. I think things are falling apart because so many have lost their moral compass. You can see on TV man hurting man, or men who want to in their hearts. And there is a super market of pornography on the web. When this happens in a society I want to say things go bad for everyone. Personally I’m not falling apart but like you, I would like to make things better at least for “today”.

  • People have some warped views that being offensive as possible without some sort of standards makes them elite thinkers… fools..

  • “ornery bloggers who think they know everything and that their opinion is holy” – hehe.  I know a few!  Great post.  I share a lot of your same feelings.

  • Michael, My name is Kevin. I know about the tribulation, the antichrist and all about end time events. The only thing I have to amend is that when Jesus Christ comes back at His second comming He will come back with tens of thousands of his saints. What that means to me is that not everyone in Heaven will come back with Him, we may have a choice. Although things are going to hard beyond expression on Earth for seven years there is hope and a promise that afterword there will be peace here and a government that works in every way. Like you, I’m getting up there in years but I still feel thirty two inside. I’m sorry for the loss of your friend. And like you, I haven’t been to church for a long time, if that’s what you meant. Thank you for such a nice reply. I get troubled at times, too but I try to focus on doing things that make me happy. Are you familiar with rubber powered free flight airplanes?

  • I don’t like the way certain people – media and activists – put America in a bad light when there are positive things being carried out. I guess people are more aware of the bad things and they make their feelings known.

  • very nice. we need more posts like this.

  • First I am totally dsicusted at peopl emaking jokes about 9/11 and the murder of 3000 innocent lives.  Another thing that upsets me is hearing people from overseas complaining about what a monster the USA and her people are, but yet they thrive on money from the USA.  That’s one of my pet peeves.

    I, like you, am wondering why things are falling apart. 

  • RYC:  Panda has been borrowing my computer on Thursdays lately.  She sometimes has an interesting perspective on bipeds.

    I think we, the sane people, should start speaking out.  Correct the untruths, not with shouts, but with calm reason.  Manners and basic civility are needed.  Yes, I’ve been known to ‘correct’ a strange wild child in the grocery store – haven’t been confronted by any parents yet!  We also need reasonable debate, not accusation throwing.  Free speech is extremely important.  Too many of the crazies don’t seem to understand this concept.  They claim free speech for themselves, but not for anyone who disagrees with them.  I seem to be rambling now, so I’ll go eat something.  Have a good day.

  • @nidan - 

    That wouldn’t be referring to all the murders and wars going on in the world today overshadowing other more subtle news, would it? And not the notion that America is the world’s biggest superpower because it’s declaring war on the world? I’m not implying it is, it just sounds that way to me. I’ve just never heard that phrase before.

  • Our credibility may be gone and our allies may be few and far between now, but the US still has the highest total GDP (even though per capita it’s only 6th). There’s more than one way to measure a country’s success and greatness, though.

  • This is a great post. I agree with pretty much everything you said.

  • @Zimbo - Dear Rob, Most of the “I wish he were dead” comments I read recently were in comments to blogposts, and not on the blogposts themselves. Before the election, a Fox reporter (if memory serves) did joke on the air about asassination, which is deplorable and heinous.

    @mammaquiet - Dear Sharon, I agree that no one politician will ever be able to “save us”. I blame the media, esp. the extremists on talk radio, and the proliferation of what I call the “blog mentality” on instigating and proliferating these abominable trends. In my conclusion, I state that I think for the most part, the people of the U.S. are “level headed, common sensical” folk. Your conclusion in your comment reminds me of the Beatles’ “All you need is love”. A wonderful statement. Peace out.

    @redhairedgrrl - Dear Redhaired girl, Spot on. On the internet, as I said in the piece, truth and hearsay exist sometimes side by side. It is up to the informed reader to be able to check the facts and make an informed opinion, and not to go with the flow, esp. when that flow is driving us all down the drain of incivility and hatred. Here’s the link again. Factcheck.org.

    @explosive - Dear Robin, I’ll answer for Jimmy. The phrase “If it bleeds, it leads” refers to exactly what you thought. Journalists have a tendency to publish the bad news instead of the good news, cause it sells more papers. Same with telecommunication, where the bad news stories are trumpeted to viewers in the promos, in order to get more people to watch. I stopped watching TV news right after 9/11.  I used to have a strream on my website (back in 2001, when video streams were in their infancy) of Tom Brokaw’s evening news broadcast of the attacks. By 6:30pm, the story was already a slick television show, with horrible images and graphics. 

  • People are more restless and opinionated these days and they like to make their disatisfaction known in any way they possibly can. Never like the extremists who chain themselves to walls or lock themselves in cages. Or the so-called ‘activists’ who took advantage of the young people (read : little kids) to get their message across.

  • I’ve heard and even bought into some of the conspiracy theories about September 11th. For someone like D (I’m assuming it was him) to blatantly put that out there makes me lose what little respect I had for him. I always thought he was more conservative, more patriotic, smarter than that. Getting hundreds of hits on Xanga isn’t doing him any favors. If he wants fame, and maybe money to go with it, he should get his own domain name.
    The fall of the country… well, I think people on all sides of the political fence value freedom and liberty over civility. We’re a fiercely individualistic nation, and that’s gotten us pretty far (stealing land, killing indigenous peoples, creating a financial system in which you can do calculus over and over to create bundles of meaningless, valueless value). The conservatives’ answer is to pay more attention to the Bible and the religious leaders, although some of them are starting to see the Constitution as a document equally as flawless and un-malleable. The liberals’ answer seems to be to let Big Government take care of things and to let our representatives in Congress act as our priests and proselytizers. MY answer is the middle of the road answer that I know a lot of people less extreme and less vocal come around to: teach your kids the value of respect – respecting oneself and respecting other people. I don’t care if you’re raised by a mom and a dad, two of the same sex, a grandparent, or an adopted parent of a different race or ethnic background. To paraphrase politicians of the last twenty years, “It’s the people, stupid.” We are people, not commodities. I have no more inherent worth than you or our neighbors do, though my ego might be bigger. Our surface differences do not reflect any internal differences, and we have a lot more in common than we don’t.
    *end rant*

  • Think positive!  I don’t know too much about American Politics, but your post undoubtedly have made contributions to this international and populous discussion boards and your country, and you should at least feel happy about this! ;)

  • I agree with you but in reality there is no right or wrong as it really depends on the mindset of the community you are in. People have become more accepting of the more extraneous behaviors that opposes an efficient bureaucracy. The Decline of the West – Perhaps Autumn is nearing its end as the U.S. will see the first day of Winter coming.

  • Mike, it is great to see you blogging again in full thrust. I am always hesitant to give my opinion on America since I am not a citizen of the country. I am watching the news through the media. Every great nation has to ask serious questions and look at the role played in the world for they can not assume to continue forever. Maintaining a nation’s flexibility takes a mental attitude from all its citizens. The collective spirit of the people make a nation big not its leaders and campaigns. I have always been against the invasion of Iraq for the reasons given. I am still surprised that no action was launched against Mr Bush when it became clear that there were no weapons of mass destruction. Governments can not be trusted to run without any corruption or power play. At least conspiracy theorists are there to look for evidence if a government does abuse its position. I think we should not be gullible but we also should acknowledge the right of people to question and question seriously when they do have doubts.

  • I like to believe I am, yet I know I’m part of the problem in that I have such strong opinions on things, it’s hard for me for compromise with the ‘other side’… My political and religious beliefs (or lack there of) are hard for me to put aside long enough to understand people like Limbaugh and those people who think it’s ok to mention killing the president (notice the lack of those kinds of comments with our prior white president? Sorry- I do believe it’s definitely race related.)
    The idea of joking about the WTC attacks baffles me. No, it’s really not in good taste, but in the era of such un-PC shows as Family Guy, I think people’s ideas of humor are changing, just as much as being influenced by the ability to anonymously say anything. Do you really think most of those people would crack those kinds of jokes at a social function with family and friends? Most likely not. As great as this technology is, just like everything else in life, there is a downside.
    I’m personally not fond of the conspiracy theorist around 9-11. Not that I don’t believe our government capable of such things (to the contrary) but I think most people who believe that are feeding a hungry agenda for less government intervention. Given the current bail outs and economy, I think we’re hearing more anti-government sentiment then we have in a long time (though people are quick to forget, it seems, that Bush pushed for and initially signed the bail out of Wall Street. Yet President Obama’s being ‘blamed’ for all the government intervention.)
    Anyhow, I’m done rambling! Great post!

  • I agree with you in it’s entireity.  If you ask anyone in my parents age group (my Mom is 60), there are varied answers about the Vietnam War and I still don’t understand why we were over there.  If you ask about the Iraq war, the same people came out and told me that the henious religion of Islam killed the American Dream.  “You don’t see a Babtist with a bomb strapped to their backs” was what I read on a blog comment.  The same person was from the South, and this group also are the one’s who promote their religion and say that Barack Obama should be killed.  Maybe I didn’t pay enough attention in Sunday school, but “thou shalt not kill” was a big commandement.  Funny enough, I was curious on how the people of New Orleans would vote in the election.  Everyone else in Lousiana voted Republican, except for the city of New Orleans, which voted in 79% for President Obama.  They are the forgotten Americans who experienced atleast a week of pure hell.  I found it ironic how John McCain and President Bush were having Birthday Cake for John McCain while people’s lives were ending.  My sister lives right outside of Baton Rouge and tried to evacuate but couldn’t and had to return home to wait the storm out.  I couldn’t reach her and it was horrible watching the news not knowing if anyone was ok.  Because of the amount of homeless people who had to migrate farther up, she had to deal with people stoning her car to steal it, everyday she went to work after the ordeal was done.  She even allowed some people with tents to camp in her backyard out of generiosity.  So I have a hard time accepting the views of religious zealots who had this catastrophy happen in their back yard, yet will say they will kill a President who is trying his best to help, when the Republican President thought it was more important to have Birthday Cake than to oversee the ending of lives, that fateful week.

    I’m not trying to pick out sides, but has the mindset of America gone the way of trying to recreate the 1950′s neighborhoods where everything is segregated and they thought everything was perfect?  To hear my brother-in-law talk, he thought the 1980′s was the greatest time period ever.  I disagreed with him, which led him to believe that I don’t know anything about politics and turned a deaf ear to me.  I was the 4 year old girl who remembers my Dad (sole bread winner) being laid off and we had nothing to eat except what was canned from the garden.  My grandparents bought us food and it filled our entire kitchen.  Now I don’t think any child should have to remember something like this.  People need to open their minds up and accept that the world is not rose colored glass.

    What I do like about the internet and blogs is the fact that we can shake things up.  Without the internet, I wouldn’t be able to see what President Obama does everyweek, and it’s facinating keeping up with his weekly video blog.  Or even what Queen Rania of Jordan has done on YouTube to help with breaking down sterotypes promoted at the Muslim world, and promoting world wide education, yet maintaining her publicity as Queen and as a Mother.  On Xanga blogs, I have talked with people of different religions and broke down some sterotypes of my own, even though I consider everything into the equation. 

    Ah, this comment ended up being longer than I intened and I know that I’m preaching to the choir on this one….

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