July 16, 2006

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    FEATURED GROWNUPS BLOGRING TOPIC POST: July 2006



    Tell us about something you experienced growing up that children today will never know - due to advancements, technology, progress - and how it may effect them (what won't they learn, what could be the ramifications or what could it save them from)... if you are from the NOW generation Tell us something you have heard we did without that you really love and enjoy




     When kids suddenly become adults, and are forced to enter the working environment, things have changed quite a bit from how they were when I grew up in the late 60s. Now young adults seem to have little choice but to canvas the malls and business centers to see if they can secure a mcjob in foodservice or retail. If you're lucky, and have good grades, then perhaps you can obtain work in your chosen field, but so many tech jobs that exist now didn't back then, and even though a young man or woman might eventually choose a first job relating to their career, this wasn't usually the case when I was growing up. The best way to enter the workplace when I was young was through a family friend, who hired the youngster to clean out the store, or some such early non technical or service job, during summers or after school. The pay wasn't good, although the hours usually were. The first job didn't necessarily need to be a career. Mainly, a first job trained the youngster in the first steps of business acumen. Usually this job amounted to sweeping and cleaning, and was not really vital to the existence of the business at hand. Now these "auxiliary" or "training" jobs have all but disappeared from the business landscape.

    Even though I didn't grow up in a "small town", El Monte was a suburb of Los Angeles, and as such, had it's own business center, and was and is a separate city from L.A. I studied to be a teacher when I was in high school and college, and eventually, my plans were to go into the education field. During the summer between my junior and senior years, however, I wanted to have some extra "spending money" and so my mother and I began asking around before the close of my junior school year, for some kind of small job to gain me some extra money through the summer. Although I don't have children, and have not been personally involved with starting any young people on their paths to a career or occupation, from what I can gather from most of the jobs I see held by young people today, they have to enter an almost cut throat world of business right off the bat, with rules, regulations,  aptitude tests, and introductory periods. Mother was friends with a woman who worked in a three day old bakery, and I got my first job sweeping out the bakery on Tuesdays and Thursdays from noon until four. The job didn't "exist" until I entered the position. And it probably didn't exist afterwards, until the woman who ran the store crossed paths with another student who wanted a job for the summer.


    I didn't 'need' the job. They call the younger generation today the "entitiled generation" used to getting their own way and having disposable income much younger. Some familes I'm sure are still just as strict as mine was in the 60s, and the only "disposable income" I ever received was an allowance for doing "chores" around the house. My "chores" were mowing the lawn, taking care of the garden, and taking out the trash. My "job" at the three day old bakery was a lot like my "chores". Probably my mother's friend swept up when needed, and hosed down the parking lot in front of the store to clear it from detritus. Me taking the "job" alleviated these "chores" from her workload.


    A three day old bakery is not that "busy". It's a clearing house for bread and cakes that have stayed too long on the market shelves. When the vendors restock the market, they bring the leftovers to the three day old bakery. The one in which I worked was owned by Interstate Brands, and the shelves were stocked with all manner of Hostess products. When I showed up for work, at noon, the morning drivers were in the midst of dropping off their three day old stock. There was a rule that workers in the store could eat as much of the product as they wanted as long as they turned in the packaging for inventory reasons. I ate a lot of "free" Twinkies, Cupcakes, HoHos, and Zingers while I was there. I would help the drivers dispose of their stock. After the warehouse area was cleared, I swept up, and then in the afternoons, I hosed down the parking lot in the front of the store. It wasn't a very taxing job at all. Quite fun , actually.


    The "change" between "then" and "now" would be that now I don't think young people have a liesurely chance to experience the real business world, meeting real workers and engaging in actual "work" which is needed but not extremely so. The workplace today treats an 18 year old and a 10 year veteran similarly. Back then there were lots of chances to "learn" before being pitched in a place of business where one had to produce or perish. In my case, learning was in an environment where I was basically a "janitor" but could ask questions and learn about the industry in which I swept up the floors.


    This kind of introduction to the workplace occured in many small towns throughout the early history of America's growth. One could apprentice in a store, sweeping and cleaning, and learning the ropes, and then graduate to sales clerk, and eventually even rise to the ranks of manager. As the "mom and pop" stores disappeared, and as individually franchised three day old bakeries and other similar businesses disappeared, it became increasingly difficult to find this kind of introduction into business for the young. I believe I was incredibly lucky to gain my start in this way.


    The summer didn't last too long, even though I was only working two afternoons a week. I walked to work, which was on the corner of the next street over from where I lived. I had a "time card" just like the other workers, and I "clocked in" and grabbed my broom. I have always been the kind of person who likes to "find work to do" if there is none scheduled, and I even cleaned up corners of their warehouse which hadn't been touched in years. The manager of the shop told my mother later that I was a really good worker. When I got a job at Ole's Home Centers as a box boy after high school ended, my first "real" job, I received a recommendation from the woman who ran the three day old bakery.


    For some reason, technology has seemed to speed up the world, and the changes which have happened in the past few decades as I grow up and older seem to be taking our children's childhoods away much sooner. In the past, our introduction to adulthood was gradual, and we learned along the way. Now adulthood is jammed into children's lives with amazing suddenness by the culture, and the "age of information."


    Sometimes I think it was better in the old days, when you could plan your life while liesurely sweeping out the back of the three day old bakery, and gobble quite a few Twinkies in the process.




    If you are visiting my site through the Featured Grownups Blogring for the first time, or even if you've been here before and haven't seen my latest "Video Blog" please check out the post immediately preceding this one. The future of blogging is here, and I'm trying to construct at least one VideoBlog a month. Also thanks to Denise (p8indme) for supplying a link to my Video Blog on her site.  MFN

Comments (43)

  • I hate it that kids are having to grow up so fast now. So many worry about things that were unheard of for kids to have to worry about when we were kids. The bear burdens that only adults should have to bear, and they see things and experience situations long before they are emotionally mature enough to handle them. It's a sad situation.
    Thank you for sharing your memories....and thanks for being a part of the challenge! Do you know that your video blog made the lineup on Boost? I saw it there this morning. :coolman: The link to it was completely my pleasure...it's a great idea, and so fun to watch. You had me LOLing. (I was glad you didn't go falling off that cliff. You had me nervous there for a bit. But then I realized, had you fallen, you wouldn't have gotten the video up on the internet. So that put my mind at ease... :fun:

  • So true Mike.  Kids today have to grow up so fast.  What happened to all of those care free summers.  What happened to the after school job cleaning offices and most of  all what happened to play time.  By the time they are teenagers these days most kids are too busy worrying about getting jobs and dealing with life to have a good time.  I know there are certain advantages today that we didn't have but I am not so sure the trade off is worth it.  Kids have forgotten how to play it seems.  Life is too hard to grow up that fast.

    Hugs
    Kat

  • I guess you could say I'm at the very beginning of the "entitlement generation." Reading these posts have brought back some great memories for me, but it's interesting because sometimes I feel like I'm in between the changes...if that makes sense.

    I remember summers lasting forever when I was a kid, but then I remember entering high school and having a whole new set of responsibilities and worries placed on me. I got an allowance for the chores I did around the house, but I also had to get a job when I turned 15. I had to pay my car insurance, keep my grades up and help out around the house...and then, suddenly, I was an adult. My teenage years flew by and so have my early 20's. But, I have to wonder if maybe I've benefitted more from them passing by in the long run....

  • Nice post.  As the world speeds up, I think it's important to find ways for kids to have the time they need to be kids.

  • Mmm, all the free Twinkies and Ho-ho's you wanted? That would be a job made in heaven! Things have indeed changed in the workplace. No employee is truly valued it seems, whether young or old, anymore. What I find sad is there are no companies left where one can feel secure that they will end up retiring from the company they've pumped their lifeblood into. I think the younger generation is missing out on that as well. None of it is their fault. Where have we gone wrong in America? This isn't the American Dream I signed up for.

  • Great entry.  My father was a dentist, and so it was hard for me to enter the work force via "the family business."  As a teenager, I kept running into the "What experience do you have?" question, and all I could think is, "How do I get experience if I can't get a job without it?"

    So in college, I majored in journalism, so that I could get "experience" by working on the college newspaper.  And it worked.  My first job was as a reporter for the university's Office of Public Information, and then after a stint as a technical editor, I wound up in Las Vegas, doing something I wanted to do.  Again, it was tough getting a job without "experience," but I managed to break into the gaming industry and spent 20 happy years there, before retiring to a life of leisure in Florida.

    Now I'm a hospital security guard.  Go figure.

  • Thanks for commenting on my site. You're right, children do grow up too quickly. Everything happens quickly these days.

  • time goes so fast doesnt' it?

    ~jess

  • thank you so much for sharing...

    i said it once and i'll say it again..it's a damned shame that our kids will never experience the freedoms we had as children.  technology rules over everything these days. if it isn't on the computer, the iPOD, or on TV, it isn't worth it for kids.

    thank you!!

    ~c

  • My first job was as a telemarketer. i actually looked in the paper for a job and found one. i was so thrilled until i got there. the people were really strange towards me. i was really young and the people that worked there were older men and looking for "something"... i tried to stay in my little work area but they would always seem to sneak in and "talk". i only worked there 2 weeks. no one trained me at all. i was given the script and the numbers and told to call everyone. i made 178 dollars. and quit.

  • Great post, and very true. By the way congrats on making top ten in the boost thing. I voted for you, yay! :coolman:

  • I nominated this post for the boost thing, but I had typos in my summary, oops, they would not let me fix it. Oh well. Go vote for yourself and other FG posts.

  • I was fortunate to start work at age thirteen at a dime store in Irvington, a suburb of Indpls. The first time, my  mom walked me there which was about two miles. After that I did it on my own. In the school year, I worked Saturdays.

    I didn't expect my girls to work, but I had the rule that I could choose their clothes so that when the oldest was thirteen she worked at the Dairy Queen for a fella that took the kids home after work. She wanted to buy her own clothes. Her sister who was two years younger, followed when she was thirteen and her sister moved on to a photo studio and when she moved from there she got her sister a job there. It was a pretty neat setup!!

    As for what we have now that we didn't have then...two things make my world so much better...the computer and airconditioning. I cannot envision losing either one!!

  • That was actually pretty cool.  I had a first job of detassling corn in Illinois.  Now there is a summer job you don't want for a career, but it was good for me. 

  • My son just got a mcjob. LOL.

  • This is so true from my observation as well. It's an interesting thing - what happens to culture when "progress" happens. (I'm not bitter either, some of it rocks my world! I'm fortunate to have been born in the 20th century instead of the 18th. :sunny: ryc: My sole purpose in signing up for a Xanga site was to be a featured writer. (Secondary- catch up with all my old friends IRL.) Thanks so much for your comments. Although this is my first visit to your site, I've seen you around. You are a legend, man. Keep on writing posts of value!

  • Hi Michael!
    Everything change... When I was young (...I'm 47 now...) It was very easy to find a job here at Portugal. We had to go to the University and have a graduation in anything... Now our youngsters go at the same to University to be unemployed at the end... very sad... having gardeners with a major in Philosophy, waitresses being Lawyers... so much time and energy spent for nothing...

    I've told you before I've made a xanga site to post more private subjects. I've also made some changes today and the link now is What a Wonderful Private World, just in case you care to visit it someday!

    I'm looking forward for your next video!
    Have a great week!
    Isabel

  • :sunny:Interesting post! It fits right in with my son! My son's first job was with Jiffy Lube and what a rig-ma-roll in getting hired and all the paper work,drug screen, and etal. just for a part time summer high school job!I am trying to get back into the swing of Xanga!
    I have not visited everyone  in a very long time!
    How time gets away from me!
    I have been so busy doing a lot of nothing!
    Soon I will have so much time on my hands that
    I will not know what to do with myself!
    :heartbeat:Take care,
    :spinning:Karolyn

  • I remember my first job-it was nice to finally have some "real" spending money. We sure didn't get the handouts like so many get today. Great post!

  • Ah yes, the 1st job.  I think I was "working" in my dads unfinished furniture store.  Mostly cleaning up, like you said. 

    RYC,  I guess 10 comments is small, but for me, quite shocking.

  • thanks for sharing and thanks for stopping by!!!!! :fun:

  • Dear Michael,
    Thanks so much for stopping by. I am making so many new friends since Denise persuaded me to join Featured_Content only this past Friday. It is kind of a funny story, but I will spare you.

    I didn't mean for my post to leave you feeling despondant about the future. Young people today, despite the technological revolution they live in can be quite creative, witty, and fun. As a teacher, however, I find that many more are dependent on someone else's opinion, what is currently trendy, what is being featured on MTV, or BET, or Blue Collar Comedy, or whatever show they turn to for their ideas.

    I am a parent, I have hope, and I think all of us adults have to have hope, because for better or worse we are depending on their generation to take care of us.

    Your site is awesome, I really will have to come back and study some of the things you have been up to, here and on the other link you provided.

    Thanks again for stopping in.
    Tricia :wave:

  • So true! Things really have changed, but I guess every generation says that about the recent past. I've been debating about writing a post for this challenge, but I don't want to be on featured content, I really don't! Maybe I'lljust write one and not link to the site :)

    You must type faster than lightning!

  • I agree with you about all of this technology. It seems nowdays one must post their resume on an internet site in order to apply for almost ANY type of job.... the days of walking into a large corporation or even a school district to apply for a position are just about non existent. Sad, really.

    Have a great week! :wave:

  • You are younger than I so the gap in what is happening with kids now and what was happening when I grew up is huge. Judi

  • nice post, and I love your site. Thanks for stopping by mine!

  • The lingering childhood that you mention was only a brief interlude in the history of mankind.  Indeed, for most of our history,.... you worked as soon as you were able....Adolescence is a modern concept.  Have you ever been to Sturbridge Village?.  It's all about life in our country in 1830.  During this time, children as young as 4 years of age were working in the fields.

    It was during the age of "Dr Spock" that we deemed it somehow necessary to cater to children....and keep them children.  Now, we are indeed suffering the ramifications.  I chose the field of education because I do enjoy children but we are doing them absolutely no favors by giving them the idea that the world revolves around them and life consists of lying on the beach....

    I see from the above comments that I am pretty much alone in my opinion.  Perhaps that is because I am probably the oldest one here and I've seen the most changes in my lifetime...some good.  Some not so good. 

    Although I don't agree with the premise that children should be forever coddled and not introduced to the concept that we are here for a purpose and our purpose is to serve others in some way or another whether it be in the field of the arts, in education, in construction...whatever.  We all have a place and a "gift".  I've noticed that those who are active and involved use their "life after employment"(retirement) in serving others where needed.  Some, however, are using their "golden years" to play endless rounds of golf, then cocktails , then cards....Some do that for a few years and then may go back to work or start volunteering ...Others just descend into a world of alcoholism and end up their years in a nursing home after a stroke...(no, many who suffer alzheimer's and strokes are in that state due to no fault of their own...) I've talked to long.  Sorry about blogging on your blog.

    That just shows how skillful you are in getting people to think and respond.

    Thanks for the very thought-provoking entry.

    Fran

  • Me again:lookaround:

    This looks like a very interesting blogring.  I'd like to join.  I see it's by approval and since I have most of my entries, except the Internet Island entries, protected...How will I be approved?

  • very true! well done!!! :goodjob:

  • ps. maybe you should enter a screenplay for the duke city shootout too... they pick 7 and if they pick yours, they fly you here to film, edit, and show it. it'd be fun!

  • Thanks for visiting me. You're right of course. It is fun to visit here; I'll try to stop back.

  • First jobs should be for learning about job ettiquette and the work ethic and that a job well done is worth it, and not just cheap labor for the employer...

  • Sort of a cross between mentoring and apprenticeship.

  • Mike, I whole heartedly agree. I was lucky enough to do back breaking labor, office work and played the mental cold call sales game as a young'n. I learned that all had their plusses and minuses and that the environment also had a lot to do with the experience as well. My daughter does retail and is learning much and I hope she is taking notes.

  • I worked at a backery the summer before I started my first semester of college.

  • *bakery, silly sticky keus . . . :mad:

  • Your bit about youth joining the work force really caught my attention. I remember that most people back in the day knew that in order to advance in the world of employment they needed to start at the bottom and work their way up the ladder. People knew that was the route necessary to get where they wanted. Now it's "who you know". They don't want to work hard to get ahead, they want it handed to them.

  • Hey Mike! First time reader, but for sure not the last! Great stuff...hope to read lots more soon. Tim

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