November 23, 2005
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I belong to two separate webrings, as do a lot of my readers, which have both posted similar "topic" challenge posts this week. The first, Socrates Cafe ® , run by Simone de Beauvoir, has posed the question Topic 12: What are you thankful for? Why? The ring Grownups with Content Worth Being Featured run by Denise asks "What am I most thankful for?" There are slight differences in the tone and wording of the question, but basically, these questions ask the same thing. They are the basis for thousands of ubiquitous "Thanksgiving" pages on blogs and websites for many years. The "holiday" of Thanksgiving has been in existence in the U.S.A. since the time of the "Pilgrims", some of the first settlers in the country. Reasons and history of the holiday will be rampant on any number of sites.
In the spirit of the Socrate's Cafe, however, I have been pondering the concept of "gratitude". "Thanksgiving" is defined sometimes as a benediction or prayer. To "whom" do we give thanks and why. We can look around and be thankful for our own existence, our health, our family and friends, and our own determination, wherewithal, and stamina involved in the very act of living in the modern world. We can thank God, the Great Spirit, the cosmos, our own inner spirit and intellect. We can be fearful of events beyond our control, and then be thankful that we have been passed by. If disaster has struck us or our families and friends, we can be thankful that it wasn't worse.
Some denizens of existence might not even care to BE thankful. They might feel and think as if the world is coming to an end, because perhaps their own personal world has seemed to terminate, and they don't feel thankful, but angry and upset. There are many reasons why people think and feel the way they do. In America, the Thanksgiving Holiday usually means eating a 'feast' consisting of traditional foodstuffs, which usually includes Ben Franklin's idea for a symbol of the country itself, the turkey, and a "prayer" of some sort, to "give thanks" to the Godhead for sparing us another bad winter.
The concept of "giving thanks" as a prayer predates Christianity. Early man watched the cycle of the seasons, planted crops, and harvested them for sustenance during the cold winter season. If the crops failed, the tribe would thin, and in times of bounty, which sometimes might be precluded by animal or human sacrifice to "appease" perceived angry "gods", the tribe would "thank" the gods for smiling on them. The "Holiday" of Thanksgiving has roots which reach back to early religions, although the "Pilgrims" were a Christian sect.
I, like many other Americans, set aside a few moments during the Holidays to give thanks for my existence, no matter how difficult or unseemly it might be, because I am always an optimist, and no amount of "bad luck" or "crop failures" really get me down to the point that I can't be thankful I am still here. My youthful suicidal urges and depressions are always sent back to the nether regions of my intellect when I concentrate on the more positive aspects of society and living. I have penned a few poems which relate this thanks throughout my life.
The first was written after my mother's bi lateral stroke, when I was 19, while she was hospitalized and the future didn't look particularly blissful or complete. She died a few years later, still basically a "vegetable". My father passed away two years after wrting this poem. The second poem was written in 1978, at age 25, during my "Cathy phase" when I loved a gal who didn't love me. I don't call the piece "a Cathy Poem" but basically, it is, and addresses her by name. The third was penned last year at this time, and was featured on this blog in 2004. I just wrote the last one this morning, and it alludes to my meeting Elizabeth earlier this year.
There is lots to be thankful for, even if one doesn't realize it. Look around. Breathe deep. Relax for a moment, and take stock of the love and care we have in our lives, and say a small prayer of gratitude, to whomever or whatever you might pray. The prayer is answered on a daily basis, as the sun and moon cycle over head as they have for millennia.
"Thanksgiving Prayer"
Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri © 1972: 19 years old
Thank you Lord
Though my mom is lying in the hospital right now
Though the doctors say she might not...
Though my dad is crying in his heart
every night
Though my sister thinks she's found a love
At last
And nobody knows if it'll hold on
Though my brother is reaching
That stage of life when uncertainty
Becomes the daily watchword
Though my friend might be drafted
Into a war he never asked for
Though my world seems more
at a standstill than it ever did
Before.
Thank you for the sun rising in the morning
Thank you for the faces I see on the street
Thank you for the animals
Who cannot talk but still can communicate
Thank you for my world
No matter how bad it may be
Thank you that I can still cry
"A Thanksgiving Prayer 1978"
Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
© Thursday, November 23rd, 1978 12:15 p.m.
At times I feel everything is perfect
A beautiful morning makes me want to
burst into song
(like in the movies)
I get that feeling like I used to back in
college when I'd drive down the freeway
after classes thinking - this is it - the
catharsis - me and my my machine - alone - together
winding down the ribbon of asphalt -
nothing to mess up my thinking -
total control...
I can reach out and hug strangers
on the street - I feel like
SCREAMING
"I'm alive - can you feel it?"
And at times like this I miss you most.
Then
At times I feel like the world doesn't
want me around -
A friendly compliment makes me mad
I feel everybody is playing the game
of MindF**k -
I lash out at people - objects - ideas -
situations
I'd punch the mirror if it would hurt
me -
And at times like this you always
seem to be around
I'm okay
I'm not crying now (well, hardly)
It's a beautiful day
And I view a verdant field
- and you and I are in the picture
Caressing each other with our dreams
And comforting each other with
our desires.
If only
If only
If only I could open up all the time
And feel like it's all right
then I wouldn't worry too much
about your leaving
The problem is with my conception -
I warp it all the time to please
myself
There are only a few clouds
rimming the horizon
The sky is a brilliant blue
The birds singe innocently
I'll see you again
And I'll counter your smile with my own
You are a separate being
Because you're a human spirit
And I love you for that
Too.
Thank you Cathy
Thank you world.
"Thanksgiving Prayer 2004"
Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
© 11/23/04 5:14 a.m. pst
Walls of debt, unscalable, portending certain hardship
(But 'twas my cavalier decisions at the cause)
Lack of romance and close friendships
(But I'm better off than most of humanity this holiday)
Depressions which last longer as the wrinkles increase
(But so what?, life goes on, or else it stops)
Impossible feelings when I read the newspaper
(Yet similar events have been happening all my life)
Increasing fear that somehow all is wrong
(Yet a light shines into the darkest depths of despair)
Another holiday meal spent in a restaurant alone
(Yet at least I'll have a feast, some won't)
Manmade appliances seem to fall into disarray
(Still sunrise and sunset calm us with each cycle)
Doubts and dissensions plague our daily element
(Still the the cats purr for my attention and I smile)
Sometimes Thanksgiving seems to have no definition
(Still serenity ekes a willing and graceful answer)
A hummingbird trills his small but mighty wings
Hallelujah, true, life is wrought with pain and suffering
An Angel with her throaty voice still sings
A sudden cloudburst serves a cause for buffering
These plights are nothing, in the grander scheme
And as I look Heavenward, I thank thee for everything
Thanksgiving Prayer 2005
Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
© 11/23/05 4:28 a.m. pst
Another milestone passes on the road to eventual salvation
Another year filled with doubts, deliberations, and denial
Another chance for satisfaction and conversation with peers
Another day, another thankful prayer.
Gratitude gives hope to petty permanence
Thanking my personal God and Great Spirit
for a chance to breathe without predicament
To sigh in wonder
As I watch the sunrise and sunset of cosmic stability
Again and again,
Never slighted or apathetic when entranced with existence
I still stand with both feet on the ground
I still wish to touch humanity's face
I still relish my friends both real and virtual
And sometimes the virtual becomes real
As happened this year,
Giving me happiness and love
My prayer is duplicated and subdivided
Spinning and shooting through heaven with a purpose
Doubling back upon me with everlasting love
My prayer is overflowing with gramercy and gratefulness
Gauging gargantuan graciousness
Going the distance of my dilemmas
Drowned in exciting premonitions of hopefulness
Another milestone breaking the millstone of murkiness
As love and understanding seep through my soul
I may feast alone as usual,
But my love feasts on grateful goodness
In the bower of humanity this Thanksgiving Day
Comments (70)
you are such a talented man!!!! im sorry i have not been around much lately, work schedule is horrible, sleep nearly impossible and just ..... how is he doing?????
I'm thankful to be here, now, and be drawn in by the words of each of these... your prayers. "Sometimes the virtual becomes real." -Wow! :coolman:
BE blessed!
Steve :spinning:
Happy Thanksgiving.
You have a gift for happieness...and sight ..you are blessed in that..and with worda...RYC... you are perceptive..there was a kind of rant lurking in my words.. but I remain truly thanful.
very beautiful poems and you can tell by reading them how much you have grown
I like what you say, Mike. I could go back and quote sections of this post back to you to show you that they were particularly meaningful to me...but I think I might just have about the whole post in the comments then again. I'm like you...an eternal optimist faced with a sea of depression and/or vulgarity in the world, that is constantly trying to bring me down. Of course, sometimes "the sea" succeeds for a period of time. Usually something happens to bring me out of that dark way of thinking...and in this case, I think it was you. Those poems and what they said really struck a chord.
"A hummingbird trills his small but mighty wings
Hallelujah, true, life is wrought with pain and suffering
An Angel with her throaty voice still sings
A sudden cloudburst serves a cause for buffering"
That's just beautiful. And I am thankful that I can still cry when everything else seems wrong. It always seems to work. Oh, and I love the word catharsis....that and renewal...
:yes: Mike, I too had a dad who mpassed away after suffering a massive stroke, then weeks of suffering in his hell of neurological damage. I've had my heart broken, too, and it took way too many years to get over it. It's real courage when your inner pain is at its worst, you can pull from it a sense of gratitude, and refocus yourself on what you do have rather than what you don't. Thanks for sharing your poetry and your courage.
It's so good to have you in the forum, Mike. Linking and running here, but I'll be back to find some questions for ya
Hi Mike,
Your poems are lovely, prayers really. It makes me think that perhaps much poetry is prayer - a recognition of beauty, an account of travail, or a statement about what is wished for in life. What else is a prayer?
My cat is sitting on my lap competing with the computer for my attention. He is flattered that you mention cats. He knows that animals are wiser than we give them credit for being and that their love is unconditional, something that is not found in many people.
I hope that you will have a wonderful Thanksgiving, no matter how you spend it. It is not necessary to be with people to give thanks.
Nancy
Hey....first off, I like your background music.....good stuff!! Thanks for posting the different poems....it's interesting to see how time has affected but doesn't seem to have changed the core of who you are. I've had the experience of eating alone at a resturant for thanksgiving....didn't like it much.....hope you have some company this year!!
"There is lots to be thankful for, even if one doesn't realize it. Look around. Breathe deep. Relax for a moment, and take stock of the love and care we have in our lives, and say a small prayer of gratitude, to whomever or whatever you might pray. The prayer is answered on a daily basis, as the sun and moon cycle over head as they have for millennia."
This is very true and succinct. We do have much to be thankful for, and if we are thankful then the hope is to be grateful, too.
Also of note - I am thankful that I can still cry, too. I went through a time when I had stoicized myself in order to fend off all of the hurt that I had been enduring. Thankfully, that period in my life is over and I can still cry.
I like this post, Mike.
Take care -- John
I can feel the tone of each of your poems, Mike. The last time I spoke to my mom was on Thanksgiving day in 2000. She passed away the next week. I feel you on your loss and, even though it's been a while, you do have my condolensces.
In the last poem, I can feel a sudden shift in your outlook. Though you are optimistic as a rule, I can feel a sort of uncontainable joy bursting forth in that last work. It made me smile on this day and I needed that.
Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving! - Colin
How different your poems are in each of these years....I hope you have a great Thanksgiving this year Mike. Enjoy your day!
~D~
Helllo Michael,
I love your thankfuls. Your Thanksgiving Prayers, each one says something to me. I relate to all of them. Very beautiful.
I hope this is a good day and a Happy Thanksgiving.
RYC: Thank you, it is ok, many people have 'holiday blues'.. you do have the right idea, and going back to a childhood memory of Christmas is a good way to get past the blues.
The friends who stole from you, Im sorry, have had a few like that , and relatives also.Hope you and Joel make the trip and have some fun, sorry you cant spend the day with your girl.. hope you have a good day.
Peace and Love:)
it's always interesting to look back on things you've written in the past, and to see how far you've come. sometimes, i look back and see how much i've forgotten.
here's to never forgetting a lesson learned, and never making that mistake again.
Happy Thanksgiving!
~MK~
Interesting to read changed perspectives in each poem. Great thankfuls. What are other ways we deal with thankfulness, besides prayers?
An aside: In your Thanksgiving banner, you left out an 'i'.
Thank you for sharing those moving poems. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
As Rousseau noted, no one is more thankful for Thanksgiving than the duck. I am thankful for your picture, in which I note your hair is brown again. You have a large bump over your right eye, however, which worries me. Have it checked tomorrow.
Dear Mike,
I feel a need to give a nod of grattitude to you and yours.
Your 'net island post was a catalyst in where you had a I'm a writer /not a writer/reader ...something like that. And in response to what I had written you and a few other kind folks gave me a bit of a confidence boost. This boost was parlayed into a paying writing gig for myself.
You've also shattered my vitriol for poetry. Will I ever go out and buy a book of the stuff? Unlikely. But it no longer gets the back of my hand.
Have a good Thanksgiving. And, now that you've reflected, you can now enjoy the more base aspects of the holiday. Over-eat, watch football, fall asleep and eat cold mashed potatos before bed time.
Cheers!
OMM
Thankful for your kind comment--enjoy this day!
Hi Mike, Thanksgiving is never a big thing in South Africa.
Happy thanksgiving, Mike.
Happy Thanksgiving to you too! And I look forward to the next Internet Island exercise. :fun:
Michael...
A couple of things 1) I decided to leave the Cafe...I was very new and it all seemed very contriversial - I would have no issue meeting the guidelines but would feel more comfortable not being part of that -- I have several other rings (as you know) that take plenty of my time and energy. 2)I think you know this and were playing along...but my shananegans with Mr. Rick were in good fun -- and I do NOT blog on work time...I have 600 at my facility and only blog on my time (before work, lunch and after work) although I do give a considerable amount of time to it. 3)I am so happy to hear you are having dinner with Liz and not in a restaurant alone.
As aways - your words are touching and real!
hey, thank you very much for the compliment.
no, I actually did not see the letter you had posted in my guestbook; I don't think that I've ever checked my guestbook in the almost three years that I've had my Xanga.
I will definitely check out the topic, and hopefully fulfill my obligation within the next few days. it might be a little while because I'm currently at home for Thanksgiving, but when I return to my living quarters in Columbus, there should definitely be more of an opportunity to do so.
Happy Thanksgiving to you, as well.
stay warm,
Fake
passing through and i truly love your site i do wish i had the talent you have to write keep up the good work
johnny in south carolina
also loved the pictures of the parade wish i could of been there in person
johnny in south carolina
Mike, very thoughtful words on this day. It strikes me that there is almost always something to be thankful for, since no matter how bad things might get, we can nearly always look at the world around us and see that someone else has it much worse than we.
Your poems shows the depth of wisdom and insight you have gained with the passing of the years. Here's hoping your Thanksgiving was a good one.
Best, Peter
Your writing is truly wonderful.
I hope your Thanksgiving was a happy one!
:goodjob: I put down some of my thoughts through the looking glass on my site. We all have the same idea. I wish that it would rub off on the people who really need to be thankful and giving. Maybe it would help stopp all the strife we have on earth.
Take care
Hope you had a Thankful Thanksgiving!
KArolyn
Dear Mike,
I was glad to have you over for Thanksgiving, as I told you ... my family is rather odd ... just like me! But, it turned out well and hopefully christmas dinner will be better.
And yes, I do see where you will have to rewrite your poem ... or maybe just write a whole new one (in between commenting).
Love,
Liz
Okie lookie I got in
lol...
Great post, BTW.
Hope you had a happy turkey day *grins*
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Beautifully written Thanksgiving Day thoughts Michael. Happy Thanksgiving, my friend, albeit 24 hours late, yet, is it ever late to wish someone a memorable day in life? Everyday should be thanked for what it brings each and every one of us; after all, we all have each other, and for that, I am especially thankful. Love, hugs, Lisa.
I only glanced through your Thanksgiving poetry and my eyes feel on this stanza and I have to read it thoroughly when I finish with this post.
"At times I feel like the world doesn't
want me around -
A friendly compliment makes me mad
I feel everybody is playing the game
of MindF**k -
I lash out at people - objects - ideas -
situations
I'd punch the mirror if it would hurt
me -"
I can very much relate to these feelings. Some people think I'm nuts for feeling like that but, I've been through a lot of s**t without help in my lifetime and I can understand it just fine. Hard feelings there. Been there. Take care and Happy Thanksgiving!
Mike, Thank you for sharing this essay, and especially the poems. Do you see your positivity even through the worst of times? Do you think all your experiences are important to who you are? Who would you be without them?
Dear members of the Socrates Cafe,
This is a first. I've "commented" before on my own entries, in response to "questions" but this is the first time I am actually attempting to "answer" the questions, in the Socratic manner, on a Socrate's Cafe entry. So far, out of over 30 comments, I can spy four actual "questions" and for these I will attempt to supply "answers".
Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
Question:
From Laurie (soonaquitter) What are other ways we deal with thankfulness, besides prayers?
You can find "gratitude" as a definition for thanksgiving, and also, as I noted, "prayer or benediction". I would place "prayer" higher on a scale of thankfulness than mere gratitude. The holiday of Thanksgiving gives us, in America at least, a touchstone for giving thanks. Prayer does not have to be practiced as a Christian celebration, but as a global celebration of thanks for our existence in spite of the difficulties the very act of life places in front of us.
Question:
From Simone : Do you see your positivity even through the worst of times?
Speaking personally, of couse I see "positivism" through all "negativism". I prefer to call "problems" "opportunities." What I would most hope is that others can similarly see "positivism" even as they themselves suffer the "worst of times." Dickens wasn't a "philosopher" but he was a great writer. "The Best of times, the worst of times." Sometimes they can be the same thing. Why not treat all of existence as "positively" as possible?
Also from Simone: Do you think all your experiences are important to who you are?
I think all of "our" experiences as human beings are not only important to "who we are" but are important placeholders of our perception and other's perceptions of our humanity. We are our experiences. If we have a bad turn in our lives, it is our own recognition of the events and our reactions to them that fuels our "realizations". The more we "realize" the truth or our existence, the more enlightened we are.
Also from Simone: Who would you be without your experiences?
Each one of us is somewhat insulated and peripheral to the experiences that happen to us. There are degrees of experience, and there are "global experiences" which seem to affect all equally. When added together, all these experiences help to separate, and to connect us to the Universal scheme of existence. As I write in the Universal Blog: "There are those who passively become part of their own scenery, and there are those who carry around their own paintbrushes."
I like the idea of writing a Thanksgiving poem every year.
Happy Thanksgiving, Michael! Another beautiful post full of depth and insight. You're a blessing... *hugs, xo
Glorious post!! Being of Native American heritage this site is awesome to me.
LOVED THE PRAYERS!
WHAT A GLORIOUS POST so happy to have read it
Hope your Thanksgiving was awesome.
Hugs
Thank you for sharing--your poetry is beautiful. You have an incredible ability to find a way to be thankful everything? When you struggle with being thankful for something, how do you "turn it around?" Where do you find the words?
Great response and some brilliant poetry. My favorite is probably the call-and-response (parenthetical) one. Excellent post, and I thank you for it.
What a different perspective on gratitude! I really enjoyed it....especially the poetry and how much they differ over the years. Wonderful post!
:wave:
I love your Thnksgiving Poems. I enjoyed your comments about Internet relationships. I am glad you found your current lady and things are going well there. Too , you are close in distance.
I hope you had a nice date.
Peace and Love:)
I very much admire your outlook on life.
yes there is tons to be thankful for
its so good to be alive somedays and just feel the love around
you
i am so thankful for dave n for internetisland where i can share my writing
because writing is a passion :shysmile:
hehehe
you continue to inspire me and make me think
thanks so much
lylas
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